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Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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clang clang clang went the compiler!

Like the other projects mentioned, LLVM was open source before Apple starting leading its development.

But _clang_ wasn't; it didn't exist. Clang isn't just another name for LLVM or something; it's a compiler using LLVM.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Maybe my sarcasm detector if off, but aren't windows updates and Microsoft Security Essentials (a pretty good AV from what I hear, I wouldn't know as I run Linux) completely free?

I don't run Windows either but I read articles in which Microsoft plans to sell their anti-virus service, for example [1]. Moreover, even if these are presently free, in the context of this thread we should consider the experience of users over two decades of history of Windows and Office products! [1]: http://windowsitpro.com/security/microsoft-should-offer-free...

I understand being wary of MS, I've used their products since the mid 1980s, (Switched over to Linux for everything but gaming about 10 years ago), but you do realize the article you referenced is from 2003?

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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My startup friends and I here in Brisbane, Australia talk quite a bit about going to San Fran to "soak up the start-up vibe". I often joke about having the nerve to set up camp in a coffee shop there and whip out my Surface Pro, fire up visual studio, and sling some C# and see how quickly I'll get hated on. I do wonder, will that really happen? Honest question.

I can't imagine so. Really, most people do not care what computer you use.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Latest reason...if you run Windows server in a VM cluster you have to buy a OS license for each VM for EACH POTENTIAL VM HOST. Read that again... The vm is only ever running on one host at one time, but you have to license it for every host. BS

Things may have changed, but you should take a look at Datacenter licensing. Last time I researched this (2 years ago), a Datacenter license covered an unlimited number of guests on that host. That said, I think most businesses where this really matters have an Enterprise Agreement with a yearly true-up. We're mid sized ( I guess the OS licensing is really one of the bigger annoyances though. All these guys waxing po…

> That said, I think most businesses where this really matters have an Enterprise Agreement with a yearly true-up.

There may be a chicken and egg situation there; most people effected have an enterprise agreement because most people too small to have an enterprise agreement or where the enterprise agreement is not economical won't touch Windows Server with a bargepole, because you need the enterprise agreement to make it vaguely cost-effective.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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I suspect it's less that people here hate Microsoft, and more that many people here don't use Microsoft's products and don't really care about Microsoft. I haven't used a Microsoft product to any significant degree since the early noughties; this isn't because I hate Microsoft (I don't; I'm largely indifferent to it); I just found that other things fit my needs better.

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I (speaking for myself, obviously, not anyone else on HN) don't hate Microsoft. I use Windows! Windows 8 in fact! For context because I'm sure some people (I do think there is an anti-MS bias here on HN, though not as pronounced as OP thinks it is) may think I'm some stereotypical Microsoft-using rube. I grew up in the 80s, programming first on the C64 (BASIC, 6510 Assembler), then Amiga, then various UNIX systems (S…

I avoided Windows like crazy until Windows 2000 came out because prior to that release the idea of using an OS where one process could crash the system at any time seemed ridiculous (post my Amiga days), and running NT was only for "enterprises" (at that time).

Ah, the MS OS/2 2.0 fiasco, though my favorite limitation of Win9x is actually how it depended on DOS which allowed Caldera to continue the lawsuit against MS.

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Just begging for some sort of poke.... Hmm how about: Even if you got some negative comments it wouldn't be much as you would have to put it away when its battery died before long ;D Seriously C# is nice and while I am a die hard unix guy I wouldn't be caught owning a MS laptop myself I am coding with C# server code at work at am enjoying the experience. I would honestly be curious what you could do doing in C#. MS i…

Things you can do with C#: 1) Web using ASP.NET MVC 2) Desktop using WPF, XAML 3) Mobile on any platform via Xamarin Mono PS: if you see someone hacking C# in a coffee shop, than it's most likely something for mobile, highly-portable and probably a game (MonoGame and Unity are pushing C# mainstream as it's much better than dealing with Obj C or JavaScript).

I'll give you #1, but from digging into the topic #2 is very much up in the air long term and I would be very wary of starting any new project with it #3 doesn't count as it is through Xamarin as I was explicitly talking about Microsoft plans.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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John Dvorak, quoted on http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/gizmos/2005/11/2_grassroot... : "Some years back, Microsoft practiced a lot of dirty tricks using online mavens to go into forums and create Web sites extolling the virtues of Windows over OS/2. They were dubbed the Microsoft Munchkins, and it was obvious who they were and what they were up to. But their numbers and energy (and they way they joined forces with…

I wouldn't know. Back then I was working for IBM on OS/2 in Boca Raton, in, as I was told, the very office space that Microsoft vacated a few years earlier when the NT/OS/2 collaboration broke down. But if I had to choose between IBM and Microsoft, I think Microsoft wins as the more ethical company. IBM seemed like a very shady place to work business practice wise. And no one is talking about IBM these days on HN, un…

the very office space that Microsoft vacated a few years earlier when the NT/OS/2 collaboration broke down

After MS has already sent the original OS/2 2.0 SDKs to developers. I wrote a blog post about this entire fiasco you should read: http://yuhongbao.blogspot.ca/2012/12/about-ms-os2-20-fiasco-...

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Actually, IBM invented that keyboard layout (in 1981, which was a few years after the Apple II)

You are correct, but I mentioned ‘Microsoft’ and the ‘Windows keyboard’ because the original IBM PC keyboards did not have a ‘Windows’ key. Original Macs did have a ‘command’ key. I suspect ‘Kayoone’ was referring to the functionality of the ‘alt’ and ‘ctrl’ keys on a Mac keyboard versus what those keys do in Windows. For example, in Windows, ‘ctrl-C‘ is used to copy, while on OS X, it’s done with ‘command-C’. The pl…

Not only the ctrl+command key but also the behavior for HOME/END/POS1 when selecting text etc. That makes it really hard for me to transition between Linux/Windows and OSX..if it werent for that i wouldnt really care which OS i use.

I already changed to the US keyboard layout which makes this alot better, the standard german Mac Layout is just total garbage.

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I find people that "like" companies quite amusing. I think Microsoft has potential, but currently there is a reason I don't use any of their products nor plan to personally. Doesn't mean they don't have their place, like any product. Also, an argument could easily be made that OP's post, which I found really interesting, is just another way of saying "Microsoft sucks", as it is merely anecdotes without sources again.…

Anecdotes is better than pure opinion. They can be poked at and questioned as any other unreliable evidence, and has a place in discussions (if somewhat far down). However, saying "I _liked_ Silverlight" is not an anecdote. I can't discuss it, poke or question it, as it is without doubt true that you do indeed like Silverlight. As substance for a discussion, it as empty as it can be. At best, I can ask you to write a…

With all due respect, anecdotes vs opinion? A blurry distinction if ever there was one. Who gets to be the arbiter of that distinction, and placement in "the" hierarchy of HN comments? It's plain as day that girvo's comment as much as jeswin's included first hand accounts of real world events (Greg and his myopia regarding non-MS tech, and satisfied friends/family/grandfather/customers that demonstrate MS' market viability). jeswin's comment as much as girvo's included personal opinion.

There was a recent HN discussion about anti-MS bias on the site. I wonder if that may be relevant.

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