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Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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In case you are genuinely wondering, a lot of the hate towards Microsoft stems from their historical hostility towards open standards[0] and open source[1]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

And then there's their stand that Open Source is un-American.

http://www.salon.com/2001/02/15/unamerican/

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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In case you are genuinely wondering, a lot of the hate towards Microsoft stems from their historical hostility towards open standards[0] and open source[1]. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

Wasn't it Steve Ballmer who called Linux cancer or something?

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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If Greg is a real person, he's in great shape job-wise. There's incredible demand for .NET developers right now. Not so much in the West Coast startup world, but nearly everywhere in the corporate world.

This is my problem right now. I recently quit my corporate job doing asp.net mvc for the financial industry in NYC. I'd like to move into a startup on the west coast, but I'm having trouble finding anything that uses asp.net mvc. I'm applying to non-.net shops too, but I get the feeling that they throw my resume in the trash as soon as they notice the lack of node.js/ruby/python/java experience.

west coast can be hard to get into. They really like to know someone that knows you before pulling the trigger.

Show up at a few meetings (ther's various hacker stuff going on) and get some names on your LinkedIn. I bet that'll fix it.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Other than past things, like their attempts to thwart open standards in the 90s and their bankrolling of the SCO lawsuits against Linux, I can speak to one reason that's contemporary: As a software developer, everything is harder on Windows. I have three choices: 1) Ignore Windows and ignore >50% of desktop market share. 2) Ignore non-Windows OSes, because things get easy if you do everything the Microsoft way. 3) En…

Can you elaborate on pain of porting to Windows? Have you tried programming C#/JavaScript/Java? AFAIK all those languages are portable to various extent. If you want to use non-platform-idiomatic GUI then you can use something like Awesomium and reuse HTML5.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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post #239

I guess the reason is because hackers love open systems. Even companies like google get shit from this place because "the best parts of Android are not open".

Doesn't explain why Apple gets praise (most closed of them all). I think it's more of a hype/image issue.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of the flamewar detector, I'm curious: what's the balance to be struck between discouraging flamewars (or encouraging civility) and discouraging groupthink? If certain topics are in effect verboten due to the types of discussions they tend to breed, does that not induce a sort of hivemind effect that reinforces prevailing views? For example, if articles on Microsoft tend to get driven off the front page, whi…

People that think this community is pro-Apple should stick around some more. This is the only place were I'm constantly seeing Apple (and Google) badmouthed with good arguments. Personally I hate Apple's products and most of my anti-Apple rhetoric received up-votes. I've seen plenty of Microsoft related stories, but if Microsoft tends to be driven off the front page, maybe it's because Microsoft is totally uninterest…

I'm not arguing that HN is pro-Apple, I was just using it as an easy counter-example to the anti-Microsoft phenomenon raised by OP. It could be any stance on any issue and the mechanisms I described would still be in play.

In fact, it doesn't even need to be specifically pro- or anti-anything. Apple and Google are both companies that generate a lot of discussion on HN, with people both supporting and criticizing them. By contrast, one could argue that HN seems largely apathetic to Microsoft. If this perceived apathy on the part of the community is being amplified by the flamewar detector, then the perception is strengthened until it becomes reality: the people who want to discuss Microsoft simply go elsewhere.

I'd like to stress that this is not an issue I think is leading to the imminent demise of HN, but rather simply a potential long-term problem that should at least be recognized.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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post #420

Other than past things, like their attempts to thwart open standards in the 90s and their bankrolling of the SCO lawsuits against Linux, I can speak to one reason that's contemporary: As a software developer, everything is harder on Windows. I have three choices: 1) Ignore Windows and ignore >50% of desktop market share. 2) Ignore non-Windows OSes, because things get easy if you do everything the Microsoft way. 3) En…

Can you elaborate on pain of porting to Windows? Have you tried programming C#/JavaScript/Java? AFAIK all those languages are portable to various extent. If you want to use non-platform-idiomatic GUI then you can use something like Awesomium and reuse HTML5.

I'm talking about writing lower level app code, especially code that interacts with the network and the filesystem and uses things like threads.

All the world is not a webapp.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is the new cool piece of playground equipment, the old cool piece of playground equipment has been overrun by losers and is now lame. Eventually HN will become /. or reddit and we'll move on. It's essentially nerd fashion.

Many years ago towards the beginning of my career proper in technology I first came across the phrase "the September that never ended." Asking a close grey beard he chuckled, explained poetically about newsgroups and finished with the anecdote that when he first started his career he had come across a similar phrase, asked a similar question and thus the cycle was complete.

That's funny, I was going to make the post about eternal september, and compare HN to /. and /. to USENET.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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post #30

My startup friends and I here in Brisbane, Australia talk quite a bit about going to San Fran to "soak up the start-up vibe". I often joke about having the nerve to set up camp in a coffee shop there and whip out my Surface Pro, fire up visual studio, and sling some C# and see how quickly I'll get hated on. I do wonder, will that really happen? Honest question.

Just begging for some sort of poke.... Hmm how about: Even if you got some negative comments it wouldn't be much as you would have to put it away when its battery died before long ;D Seriously C# is nice and while I am a die hard unix guy I wouldn't be caught owning a MS laptop myself I am coding with C# server code at work at am enjoying the experience. I would honestly be curious what you could do doing in C#. MS i…

Things you can do with C#:

1) Web using ASP.NET MVC 2) Desktop using WPF, XAML 3) Mobile on any platform via Xamarin Mono

PS: if you see someone hacking C# in a coffee shop, than it's most likely something for mobile, highly-portable and probably a game (MonoGame and Unity are pushing C# mainstream as it's much better than dealing with Obj C or JavaScript).

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