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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by maeil »

rvz wrote: post #338
maeil wrote: post #107

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> As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? If you voted for this Tory-lite government, then you can stop voting for any future Tory-lite governments. If you did not, there's not much you can do in practice without devoting your life to it.

> If you voted for this Tory-lite government If you agree that Brexit happened under the Tories and not Labour, then we can also agree that THIS order is happening under the newly elected "Labour Party" and not the "Tories", or so-called "Tory-lite" names. It's completely pointless trying to remove accountability of this government's illogical actions and then to immediately resort to blaming the previous government…

Huh? You completely misunderstood what I meant by that moniker. In no way at all does it absolve them of blame - quite the opposite, it's calling them nearly as bad, so close that the difference doesn't really matter.

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Post by foldr »

gambiting wrote: post #196
galangalalgol wrote: post #128

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Coupd protest on weekends and holidays as a hobby, bring a Bluetooth speaker and blast the kinks.

Well, in the UK just planning a non-violent protest can get you 5 years in prison as many people have already discovered. Protesting has been pretty much made illegal by a very broad legislation that defines any protest that causes "disruption" as illegal - what "disruption" means is up to interpretation of course.

I don't support the legislation you're referring to, but I think you're painting an exaggerated picture (unfortunately a common theme of these threads on HN about the UK). You can easily find examples of recent protests in London: https://news.google.com/search?q=protests%20london&hl=en-GB&...

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Post by maeil »

madeofpalk wrote: post #282
briandear wrote: post #260

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Wait. The Tories aren’t in power yet you want to attribute this to “Tory-lite?” It’s the Labour Party that is in charge, so why not put the blame on the actual perpetrators? Is it because you don’t want Labour getting blamed? I am confused. The Labour Party is the one jailing people for speech, so it follows that they would want backdoors into iCloud so they can better investigate ThoughtCrime. The director of public…

Parent seems to be attempting to discredit, not protect, Labour by calling them "Tory-lite".

I'm very surprised that I got as many as three replies by people who interpred my comment this way! You got it right indeed.

I'm a bit confused though, surely if I call someone "Hitler-lite" this couldn't possibly be inteprered as something positive, haha. Maybe it's just tribalist reflexes, or maybe I did word things strangely.

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Post by traceroute66 »

sneak wrote: post #364

There is already a global iCloud encryption backdoor. iCloud Backup is not end to end encrypted. iCloud Photos is not end to end encrypted. Apple can read all of your iMessages and see all of your photos. The governments where they operate can compel them to turn over this data. They can and do. Often. Operationally this doesn’t really change much.

> iCloud Backup is not end to end encrypted. iCloud Photos is not end to end encrypted.

DO NOT SPREAD FUD.

If you could be bothered to spend two microseconds on a search engine, you would find this[1] which states IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH :

For users who turn on Advanced Data Protection, the total number of data categories protected using end-to-end encryption rises from 14 to 23 and includes iCloud Backup, Photos, Notes and more.

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/security/sec973254c5f/...

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Post by _trampeltier »

Funes- wrote: post #216

Further proof against the idea that we live in "democracies", if anyone still believes that. We're at the hands of petty tyrants. Modern societies are surveillance hellholes, and it seems to only get worse and worse. So much for "progress".

Thats nothing yet, just wait until we have no reals cash, just electronic money. This will be fun NOT

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Post by autoexec »

joey_spaztard wrote: post #288

My response would be along the lines of: "The USA fought a war in part because they did not like the use of general writs of assistance to allow agents of the British King to search peoples houses and papers where their suspicion chanced to fall. The UK lost that war so no way!"

Not the strongest argument these days. There's no way that the US hasn't already backdoored apple's systems. They might not be sharing that access with your local law enforcement agencies, but you can bet that the NSA has a backdoor. They've likely set up camp inside Apple. (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A). It seems the US lost the war to stop kings from spying too.

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #418
csomar wrote: post #285

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How is this worse? This only affects users in China.

And users who communicate with users in China using Apple services.

They can send encrypted PGP messages, e2e was figured out in 1991.

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Post by altairprime »

reaperducer wrote: post #470
altairprime wrote: post #452

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The UK government can’t put Apple out of business; Apple can easily afford to simply exit all business in the UK. The UK is betting that Apple’s greed outweighs their principles. Long odds.

The UK is betting that Apple’s greed outweighs their principles. Long odds. Three weeks ago, I would have agreed with you. Then Tim Cook wrote a check for $1,000,000.00 to help pay for Donald Trump's inauguration party.† In spite of what they led us to believe over the last couple of decades, Tim Cook and Apple are no different than any of the other tech companies genuflecting before the new emperor, whose stated goa…

As Apple isn’t based in the UK and owes no fealty to their government. I don’t agree that your citation is relevant here. Apple is a US company. Bribing local officials to overlook the gay founder is sensible corporate practices, however uncomfortable that is to consider. Revoking privacy guarantees globally, reversing years of public opinion gains overnight, is not. The UK cannot do anything to materially harm Apple in any way that Apple can’t afford short of sending a double-oh to Cupertino.

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Post by taurknaut »

ekianjo wrote: post #475
RobotToaster wrote: post #463

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It's also worth noting that one of the ways the five eyes get around domestic spying laws is to spy on each other's citizens. So the CIA spy on British citizens the UK government want to spy on, and GCHQ spy on American citizens the US government want to spy on. So this would indirectly allow the US government to spy on US citizens (even more than it already does, anyway)

Why do you think 3 letters agencies care about the law? Ever heard of Snowden leaks?

I think stuff like Parallel Reconstruction show that they do care about the law. They care about working around it.
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