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Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by rtkwe »

DennisP wrote: post #466
rtkwe wrote: post #455

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Those are all things they should already be guarding against though for the most part and definitely not a cost incurred per unit. If they're not already doing tons of work to secure against malicious employees they're a joke of an ISP to begin with.

Security isn't binary. There's a difference between normal commercial-grade security, and being actively engaged in warfare against an adversary with serious cyber and space warfare capabilities.

Space doesn't matter here, if Russia decides to mess with StarLink by shooting down satellites there's nothing SpaceX can do beyond launching replacements. So we're back to the more normal security they should already be doing because ISPs are already huge targets for state level actors even if you're not involved in a war.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by TulliusCicero »

JCharante wrote: post #255
TulliusCicero wrote: post #159

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I think the economics would probably work out for longer international flights. I fly economy with my family and I'd probably be willing to dump out $20/passenger for flights from Seattle to Japan/Europe, considering you're stuck in a seat for like 10 hours. That seems like it'd make long flights quite a bit nicer at a reasonable cost. Alternatively being able to work more means I don't have to burn as many vacation…

I started boycotting Korean Air. Supposedly the reason why they don’t have wifi is that Koreans are used to great internet service, so it’s better not to have any wifi on their planes than to have slow internet. I didn’t realize how addicted to the internet I was until I did a 15 hour flight from Boston to Incheon in the spring. Never again. I’ll gladly fly Delta instead.

I wouldn't say I'm addicted, I can manage okay on flights as it is with TV shows/movies/video games/books that I download ahead of time onto various devices. Especially the Switch is very nice, and of course the Steam Deck is probably great for this.

But yeah having internet would be even better.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by madeofpalk »

bombcar wrote: post #461
madeofpalk wrote: post #439

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If the only reason you're allowed to be offline is because you're on a flight, i think there's much bigger problems that need sorting.

And just say the wifi was down if you don't want to connect; it seems to be down half the time I want to use it anyway.

What psychopathic workplaces is everyone at where they need to lie in order to be offline/not work on a flight??

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by woojoo666 »

coryfklein wrote: post #471
AlecSchueler wrote: post #355

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To be fair you can always choose to disconnect for a period of time. I understand if your job expects you to be online when possible but if you have difficulty disconnecting without an external pressure to be online you could consider talking to a therapist to help you manage your reliance, especially if it's bothering you significantly.

Yes, but now if you're not online during your flight it's because "you chose to" and you're a slacker. Another dimension here is that it's a refuge from "the always on" society; if you were to step back and look at your life from a distance almost everyone would say "I need to disconnect more", but you often don't realize how dependent you are on that dopamine hit the connected internet provides until you're forced t…

This sounds more like a work culture problem than a technology one. Why do you need to be perpetually online?

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by gamblor956 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #365
zuhayeer wrote: post #100

Once upon a time, all plane transmissions were pretty much air to ground. As inconsequential as it may seem, the positioning of antennas above the plane are a bit metaphoric for flipping things up side down. Looking out into space instead of back to earth. Also notable that SpaceX keeps finding these cool (revenue generating) use cases to further cheapen the cost of sending things up to space. Pretty much dogfooding…

> Also notable that SpaceX keeps finding these cool (revenue generating) use cases to further cheapen the cost of sending things up to space. Like sending Ukraine "free" base stations and charging them $4,500 a month for service.

"Free" as in almost entirely paid for by Ukranians themselves, or the Polish, UK, or US governments.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by deelowe »

blitzar wrote: post #479
deelowe wrote: post #451

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Regular joe seems to be donating the typical residential units on residential plans. My understanding is that the military set up is different, especially in terms of support/priority.

The 'donated' units are business plans - there is no 'military' tier. Starlink - Latency 20-40 ms Download - 50-200 mbps Upload - 10-20 mbps Starlink Business - Latency 20-40 ms Download - 100-350 mbps Upload - 10-40 mbps

I didn't say military tier. My understanding is that they are 1) business plans 2) available in areas where business isn't currently offered 3) get prioritization over other orders and 4) have a different support model.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by bottlepalm »

lm28469 wrote: post #488
bottlepalm wrote: post #432

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If the energy to build and power the batteries all came from sunlight then why not?

And methane is made of unicorn farts right ? Producing one tonne of lithium requires digging out 500 tonnes of earth. We don't mine lithium with solar panels and horses, it's an extremely energy intensive and polluting industry, and that's only a tiny part of the equation, building the car already is already extremely polluting Is it better than straight up burning dino juice ? Sure, is it sustainable and eco friendl…

Why can't lithium be dug with solar power? California generates 10 gigawatts of it on a good day.

Tire technology is also improving to be eco friendly - https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=...

The system doesn't go from bad to good overnight. Every piece needs to be updated, vehicles that don't put out fumes is just one piece of that system.

You're argument reads, 'well the entire system isn't perfect yet, so that negates all improvements to the components' Give me a break. Electric cars are a huge step forward. One of many steps that need to be taken.

The world will move forward while you sit on the sidelines and complain.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by ggregoire »

sabjut wrote: post #241
ggregoire wrote: post #161

Slightly unrelated but makes me wonder how different would be the airline industry nowadays if Musk had launched a airline company at the same time he launched SpaceX. How different would it be to take a plane and travel across the world.

"If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline." - Richard Branson

I mean, you could turn the quote into "If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new rocket company."

Not sure what are SpaceX financials but Musk seems ok.

Re: Starlink Aviation

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Post by s3p »

coryfklein wrote: post #471
AlecSchueler wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair you can always choose to disconnect for a period of time. I understand if your job expects you to be online when possible but if you have difficulty disconnecting without an external pressure to be online you could consider talking to a therapist to help you manage your reliance, especially if it's bothering you significantly.

Yes, but now if you're not online during your flight it's because "you chose to" and you're a slacker. Another dimension here is that it's a refuge from "the always on" society; if you were to step back and look at your life from a distance almost everyone would say "I need to disconnect more", but you often don't realize how dependent you are on that dopamine hit the connected internet provides until you're forced t…

Who on earth is telling you that you are a slacker for not buying Wifi on your flights?
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