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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by jimbob45 »

disown wrote: post #432
neogodless wrote: post #114

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/896/censorship > In general, sedition is defined as trying to overthrow the government with intent and means to bring it about; the Supreme Court, however, has been divided over what constitutes intent and means. > These acts made it a federal crime to speak, write, or print criticisms of the government that were false, scandalous, or malicious. It is frightening to me tha…

> As a person of logic and reason and based on multiple sources of information that I consider reputable Name it. What sources? Every major news source has been complaining about "election theft" for 4 years and warning about election theft in 2020. The issue with corrupt elections has been around at least since 2000 ( Bush v Gore ). Here is an NYU professor giving a lecture about it in 2008 ( about the bush election…

Agreed. Ours is a system of Darwinism. We provide a very high bar to clear to accuse someone of cheating and it's not often cleared. However, the opportunity is always there to fix vulnerabilities for the next election (see: Russian interference). You can't be mad if you lose, you just have to make sure it doesn't happen again (for the same reason).

See:

- Hanging chads (ballot got fixed)

- Gerrymandering (currently getting legislated away)

- Russian interference (more oversight currently)

- Electronic voting machines (no longer used...oh wait)

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

Glide wrote: post #459
x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we going to sit here and act like the stated goals of the Arab Spring and Trump supporters are remotely equivalent morally?

From the perspective of their respective governments? Yes. Absolutely yes. The hands of those on the levers of power change over the years. Beware what you give them.

But we aren't talking about governments, we are talking about Reddit and it's userbase.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by renewiltord »

nickysielicki wrote: post #190
renewiltord wrote: post #60

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Yeah, this is a win. You can go to this guy's party at his house. And I don't have to worry about the guys at his party wandering into mine. And vice versa.

What's important is that nobody interacts or challenges one another. Otherwise, our feelings might get hurt.

This is actually crucial. When I go to see cat pics, I don't want to discuss whether Evil Jew Bankers Are Stealing America's Future.

It isn't an offence thing. It's just ... boringly dumb. It's just like I'm not going to start a conversation in this thread to review my basic backstitch.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #449
gfodor wrote: post #337

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I agree. Why would you think that I thought the free Internet is the only thing that has value? That's a nonsensical position. My point was that if a company shuts this down with an SSL cert hack of some kind, it may be just or even backed by law enforcement, but it exposes a vector for suppression by corporations of the Internet that I had not considered before and we need to understand the high order effects from t…

Just yesterday HN had a link to an article on plaintext HTTP for the modern era. I'm not condoning illegal/dubious attempts to silence dissent, but loss of an SSL cert doesn't really suppress anyone's ability to communicate. Tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong to the degree SSL becomes a requirement burned into browsers, which seems highly likely and is partially true already for certain domains. Unless you're going to argue that being forced onto the non-web is not suppressing your ability to communicate, but if so that's a tough argument to dig into here.

edit: I should add here the thought exercise is that you are participating in speech that is legal and ethical but are overruled by SSL cert providers and are unable to get a root signed cert from anyone (or whatever other means of preventing SSL.) In that case, even if you are not hard blocked, having your speech be passed around the internet in cleartext also seems like it affects your ability to communicate in a negative way.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

HDMI_Cable wrote: post #253
mr_coleman wrote: post #149

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I love doom scrolling as much as the next guy, just make sure to get some mind bleach. Find a nice fiction podcast or take up electronics. Both sides will consume your mental health if your not careful.

I'm actually looking for a good podcast. Do you have any recommendations?

Try https://soundcloud.com/cum-town

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by klyrs »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #390
BitwiseFool wrote: post #259

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Have you ever spent time on the leftist "tankie" / "Chapo trap house" kind of subreddits? Or the Gen Zedong groups that glorify the purge of landlords during the communist revolution in China? If we are really going to go after such people wanting to violently overthrow the government we can't be ignoring the left when they do it.

Noone cares anymore about the left rioting

That's because they're laughably ineffective and tend to shit their own kitchens. It's also last year's news, a whataboutism to deflect from the actual insurrection that occurred this week.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gremlinsinc »

onehair wrote: post #374
wnevets wrote: post #249

The irony of people complaining about free speech and censorship when this happens is if you post ANYTHING even remotely against the current narrative in those subs you will be immediately banned by mods. You can literally quote trump word for word in /r/conservative and get banned if it happens to go against today's collective reality. Rules for thee but not for me is the modus operandi and Wednesday was just an ext…

It's one thing for a mod in a forum to ban someone, as it sometimes only represents the opinions of that mod, and maybe be backed by rules (and trends) It's another thing for social media to do it. although they are all private companies, they remain a very global big force, that do not have reach only in the US, but are global and can do the same and affect many countries and politics across the globe. Soon, if not…

It's one thing to my favorite dictatorial mod to do one thing, but a reddit admin, to do another thing?

You are free to create any website you want, if you can find hosting to support your message. The internet still is mostly free and wide open.

An audience though is something you earn, these networks have EARNED their audience. What you're wanting is the equivalent of walking into the 7 o'clock news and demanding to be put on the air so you can tell everyone about your goat's birthday party on Saturday.

Seriously, nobody cares about your goat's birthday party. ABCD news has ZERO reason to put you on the air, you have zero rights to their audience, or to a platform at all.

Platforms like twitter/facebook/etc are NEW. It's an EARNED thing, as long as you're a good global citizen you can keep participating, when you go against social norms you get cast out, like pretty much every civic organization in the history of the world.

Town Drunk, sex offenders, felons, etc. all cast out for going against norms. Should they all get equal platform time to defend themselves 24/7 and everyone is required to let their content go across their feed on social media? How's that not also authoritarian, sounds a lot like communism to me...

The state seizing control of private business communication channels and forcing it open for everyone regardless of their message whether it's a birthday party, or terrorist organization recruiting message.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

Glide wrote: post #459
x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we going to sit here and act like the stated goals of the Arab Spring and Trump supporters are remotely equivalent morally?

From the perspective of their respective governments? Yes. Absolutely yes. The hands of those on the levers of power change over the years. Beware what you give them.

And they've always had this power. It's only become problematic in the past few months when white supremacists and their sympathizers felt pressure of being marginalized off of major platforms. It was never a problem before then.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by CyberRabbi »

andrewem wrote: post #232

You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

Were you scared of the women’s March murdering you after they “stormed” the capitol? https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Tokkemon »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #460
kr99x wrote: post #319

I've been having this argument more and more lately. People keep coming around to "surely, we must prevent *THIS* content?" and every time the answer is no. Somehow, we seem to be forgetting how free speech benefits us all , but only when it is categorically FREE and there are not exceptions "just this one time" Why just the other day, I had friends blow up on me for daring to suggest that a particular type of bigote…

Maybe reddit should completely end moderation then? So progressives and liberals can take over /r/conservative and post anything they want without fear of being banned? No more 'flaired users only'? because that's ALSO censorship, no? Also, who's stopping you from starting a reddit competitor and saying whatever you want? You have ZERO rights to THEIR customers, their users, etc. I mean, can you go to the local news…

Precisely. It has to go both ways or it's not really free speech.
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