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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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I'm an active reader of threads on YC, and maybe I'm just lucky but I have yet to see anyone spouting MAGA based conspiracy theories. I did get downvoted one time for saying Trump invented the term Antifa (Which is absolutely true. I did a google search by date to verify.) but that's as close as I've seen.

I think you got downvoted because the term/group Antifa has existed in several forms since the 30s, it was a movement started in Germany in response to the rise of the SPD between WWI and WWII.

That I did not know. I just know no one was using the term online before trump started calling the BLM protestors antifa. (However, there was a single tweet with an #antifa hashtag 2 days before trump used the terminology. I figured he saw the tweet and it inspired Trump to pick up the term, but now I do not know given the historical back stop.)

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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> Their worst right now is much worse than expected, I would be ashamed to be associated. This doesn't follow. Trump has been promoting violence since 2016. There have been multiple attacks carried out by Trump supporters. Most Republicans think the election was stolen thanks to Trump. Anyone who was surprised by this hasn't been paying attention to the blatantly obvious signs that have been on display nor to the rep…

It does follow if you think that most people that voted for Trump didn't actually think that Trump means most of the things he says. Which matches up with what Trump supporters say in interviews regarding Trump's stance on topics that even many of his supporters don't agree with. They will generally say something like "yeah, I don't agree with what Trump says about X and Y but I vote for him because of Z". And to be…

My point still stands. Anyone surprised by violence from Trump supporters have not been paying attention for the last four years. All the warning signs have been there. You've got documented evidence of Trump and his followers setting small fires for four years and half the country shouting "HEY WE'VE GOT A FIRE!" suddenly people are surprised that the building is burning down around them? Mistakes were made, the President and supporters everyone has been warning about do the thing everyone has been warning about and try to stage a coup. Oops!

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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He got 70 million votes

Point? Biden got 7-8 million more. It's over. Him bringing EC faith into the open, actually hurts GOP for decades if the EC is removed, they'll never win again. It's been a very very long time since GOP has won popular vote. Their entire future rides or dies on the E.C. unless they can become a big tent party, and regain people who have left the party.

Dems imported millions of immigrants whose communities always vote left. Its like an escape hatch in a democracy to win elections

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Successes to an ends for censorship doesn't make it any more ethical. China is a pretty strong economy right now - that doesn't make the CCP's aggressive forms of censorship any more just or ethical.

Just because you don't like censorship doesn't make its use less ethical. Censoring porn and spam from /r/HackerNews is not only effective, its ethical. Its the only way effective discourse can take place on this website. ------ Lets turn this around. What's YOUR solution to porn and spam on discussion sites? Do you want that sort of stuff to just overrun this webiste? You're talking in one of the most heavily modera…

> Censoring porn ... [is] the only way effective discourse can take place on this website.

Yes, but it diminishes the level of intercourse significantly.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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If you wonder why they are threatened consider parler and the things people post there. Please forgive the language it is verbatim and I think threats of violence are more offensive than bad words. > You had better be ready partriots! It is go time very soon. We must attack all central communications to big cities are democratic cities. Fiber optics telecom bridges supply routes we can starve those motherfuckers to d…

I am of the potentially unpopular mindset that we need to get our hands dirty to preserve our freedoms from these people. Worrying about being a gatekeeper when these people gladly, and openly, threaten our peace and lives is ridiculous. Let's shut them down, shut them out and generally rebuke them. History shows that higher order ideals generally need to be preserved with actions when words have failed, and make no…

A tolerant society should tolerate everything but intolerance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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So you are against the freedom of speech principle?

What gave you that impression? Moreover, what do you mean by "the freedom of speech principle"? It can mean anything ranging from "you can literally say anything you want and the government should protect you while doing so (eg. punishing companies that refuse to transmit your speech)", to "most speech, excluding a laundry list of exceptions like hate speech, copyright infringement, defamation, heresy, certain ideolo…

What is hate speech?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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If the left-leaning subreddits were also promoting hate, misinformation and violence then they would be banned too. It's not favouritism, the "one side" that's being targeted is the side that's breaking the platform's rules.

> If the left-leaning subreddits were also promoting hate, misinformation and violence then they would be banned too. There's plenty of hate and misinformation in those subreddits. None of them have been banned yet.

This is simply untrue. (Arguably) the largest leftist subreddit, /r/ChapoTrapHouse, was banned with /r/thedonald in June.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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imo with such a doubling down on politics and partisanship, reddit is limiting its own audience. just visiting the front page for me is enough to dissuade me from using it with all the cringy center left takes being used on every subreddit and filling the home page.

why are subreddits like “photos” or “pets” littered with “orange man bad” posts?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

I agree. Why would you think that I thought the free Internet is the only thing that has value? That's a nonsensical position. My point was that if a company shuts this down with an SSL cert hack of some kind, it may be just or even backed by law enforcement, but it exposes a vector for suppression by corporations of the Internet that I had not considered before and we need to understand the high order effects from t…

Just yesterday HN had a link to an article on plaintext HTTP for the modern era. I'm not condoning illegal/dubious attempts to silence dissent, but loss of an SSL cert doesn't really suppress anyone's ability to communicate.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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I am of the potentially unpopular mindset that we need to get our hands dirty to preserve our freedoms from these people. Worrying about being a gatekeeper when these people gladly, and openly, threaten our peace and lives is ridiculous. Let's shut them down, shut them out and generally rebuke them. History shows that higher order ideals generally need to be preserved with actions when words have failed, and make no…

I agree but there are 300 million in the US. The actual insurrectionists are like... 200 people? Maybe 2,000? Shutting down anyone talking pro trump in the whole country will have downsides, and just make them more angry. Prohibition isn't an answer that will work. Hopefully sending all of the insurrectionists to jail will help.

I made this likening to the situation the otherday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch

"Maybe 2,000" was a precursor event to the rise of Nazi germany.

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