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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by rglover » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

nikolay wrote: post #61

So, what's the goal? Force Trump supporters to build their own social media?! When I see the growth of Parler, how is this helping the already struggling Twitter, Reddit, etc. I don't really get why technology companies want to get involved in the policing business - how is this helping their bottom line? Are they business or activists pretending to be businesses?

Pay attention to the narrative shift: it went from "build your own platform," to now calls for removing those alternatives entirely (https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347522919992336387).

The end goal is total censorship.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by cpach » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

thotsBgone wrote: post #93

Bayart wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. Service-providers giving the boot to « problematic » users is as far as I know as old as the Internet.

Example?

For example, I know that Hezbollah had problems finding an ISP back in the 90s.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by jakearmitage » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

elicash wrote: post #31

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

"delete certain posts" Presumably violent threats?

Is it OK to silence people now?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by tstrimple » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

VBprogrammer wrote: post #88

dragonwriter wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quite literally 1/2 of the USA voted for Trump No, they didn't.

Approximately 23% of the US population voted for him. Typically I don't like this arguement, the rest of the population would probably have voted along much the same proportions as those who did.

I don't think this is true. It's been shown over and over again that the more people who vote, the more likely Republicans are to lose the election. This is why Republicans have gone all in on their disenfranchisement efforts.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by lostlogin » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #15

Exuma wrote: post #6

What else is new, censorship is OK as long as only one side is doing it.

My house, my rules.

This is a a darkly funny comment in the broader context where the house has just been overrun by a mob.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by umvi » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

wmichelin wrote: post #40

Exuma wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. He said something like "we will remember this day," and not long after condemned violence and supported law enforcement. Then the next day he condemned it again.

You're either being willfully ignorant, or arguing in bad faith. Calling for your people to all organize outside of the capitol building, claiming that the election was fraudulent without providing evidence, and then telling the active terrorists "we love you" should be sufficient evidence for you.

You are making assumptions on what was in President Trump's brain from a few short tweets. The white house is on the opposite side of the mall as the congress building. How do you know he wasn't saying "we love you" to the huge turnout of people gathered around the Washington monument right near the white house? How do you know he was specifically praising the tiny minority of the protestors that broke into congress?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

vdnkh wrote: post #122

gfodor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

>free Internet A private company choosing who to allow on their platform? Seems like the freedom to me. And in the absence of any government action against these domestic terrorists (they have been planning exactly this violence for weeks), it's great to see private companies step in and take action.

You're oversimplifying this as well as constructing a strawman argument which implies it's a simple issue. It's not. You are on Hacker News, do you think people here are think that the framing you make is objectively the singular one that has any moral standing?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by nixass » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

justaman wrote: post #16

I'm generally against the idea of banning subreddits because they just move elsewhere. However, if this is going to be the official stance of Reddit admins, I encourage them to take a look at /r/sino and a few other communities that regularly violate the rules.

Well Reddit is partly funded by Chinese so keeping r/Sino is understandable

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by mr_coleman » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

I love doom scrolling as much as the next guy, just make sure to get some mind bleach. Find a nice fiction podcast or take up electronics. Both sides will consume your mental health if your not careful.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by mbesto » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:46 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #13

The cynic in me can't help but notice that all these platforms are suddenly growing a backbone now that we know Democrats will control both the executive and legislative branches.

One thing I've learned these past 4 years is that most Americans don't "care" about much until you start shitting in their backyard. Democrats or not, I think there will be an outcry of "social media did this to us" and legislation will be used to get this "behind us".