Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

Post by staticman2 » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 2:26 AM UTC

ogre_codes wrote: post #108

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Epic's legal position as I understand it is that Apple is behaving illegally and they likely had to break the illegal rule for standing to sue.

The judge in this case have suggested that the case can proceed if Epic reverts their contract breaking changes. Apple has made it clear in court that if Epic reverts their changes they can restore their standing in the App Store. > they likely had to break the illegal rule for standing to sue. I'm not sure if this was ever true, but it's quite clear at this point that they can make their app comply with App Store po…

Post by dang » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 2:28 AM UTC

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I got drive-by downvotes from Apple fanbois for saying this in a previous thread, but I think this could actually have a significant impact on the iOS user base in the long term. I'd wager that a significant portion of iOS's user acquisition funnel is children for whom Fortnite is a requirement. All those kids will be throwing tantrums until their parents get them an Android device.

Post by manicdee » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:21 AM UTC

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You can't sue someone unless you can prove damages. There's no way to fight this without breaking the rule first. I'm not a lawyer though so maybe there's an exception to this rule.

NAL but you can sue without breaking contract if you're challenging the contract's legality. Epic also is generally challenging Apple's use of their position to 1) not allow other app stores, and 2) take 30% of each sale (while other processors take 3%), which would be enough damages to sue over. Epic breaking contract is entirely a PR move.

Post by jakebasile » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:36 AM UTC

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That's not how it would work though. You'd see things similar to what Epic themselves did on Android originally, where they required people who wanted to play Fortnite to download the APK directly from Epic, which of course led to hundreds of fake and infected apps on the net, harming users.

So which is better: having no Fortnite at all or having no Fortnite in the App Store with the option to sideload. If you strictly want to stay in the App Store then nothing changes for you and the situation is neither worse nor better. If you just want to play Fortnite on your iPhone and don't care about the App Store then the latter option is a better.

Post by mr_toad » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:56 AM UTC

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The console market has been slowly dying for the last decade. If anything, opening the console market could help rejuvenate it by turning consoles into general purpose entertainment devices. And the claim that consoles are just closed down PCs is absurd. Consoles can play AAA games at a fraction of the cost of your average PC. The hardware that goes into building a console is significantly different than a PC.

>> The console market has been slowly dying for the last decade. If anything, opening the console market could help rejuvenate it by turning consoles into general purpose entertainment devices there was a time when consoles didnt require internet tethering, were media capable, and could be used for common PC tasks.