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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by JadeNB »

laumars wrote: post #348
stickfigure wrote: post #305

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I just last week bought a pristine, maxed-out 2015 MacBook Pro. Yet I think you're wrong about most of this. * I hate magsafe. I've owned a dozen of these and almost all of them have come apart just behind the magsafe connector. Expensive, proprietary, and fragile. I would much much rather have USB-C than shell out $90 every two years. * USB-C is great. A bunch of different ports means carrying a bunch of different c…

USB-C is a clusterfuck and Apple forcing that as their only connector is just plain bad design. I have a MBP but opted for the non-touchbar model because I happen to like the escape key (lots of time spent in vi - amongst other things). My MBP only comes with TWO USB-C ports. That means I have no choice but to carry around a dongle when before I rarely used to. What's worse, the charger uses one of those ports and mo…

> I have a MBP but opted for the non-touchbar model because I happen to like the escape key (lots of time spent in vi - amongst other things).

Incidentally, the worry isn't about no ESC key but the opposite. There's still the soft key on the touchbar, right where muscle memory expects it; but, since my finger hovers there by default, I frequently find myself triggering it unexpectedly. I eventually realised that a lot of what I thought were bugs were caused by my ESC-ing out of some intended action without being aware of it.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by noisy_boy »

screye wrote: post #465
RayVR wrote: post #144

Having used the 2018 MacBook Air for about 3 months now, I can say I really detest it and I would return it if that were possible. 1) the keyboard. This thing really feels like slamming your fingers into a metal slab. I think my iPad Pro keyboard is better. The MacBook Air keyboard is also very loud. For something with so little depth the sound is shocking. 2) the webcam. Total garbage. In a laptop this expensive I t…

With Jony Ive gone, I hope they finally move towards function over form. From what I've been reading, the push for portraying Apple as a fashion company, came directly from Ive's side.

That portrayal has been making them good money.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by electrichead »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #478
Perceptes wrote: post #71

I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port. It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

I did exactly this a year ago but one caveat to note is that if you're using an external monitor, the video card in this one doesn't support a good resolution. I'm stuck with 1080p.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by JadeNB »

keldaris wrote: post #358
stickfigure wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just last week bought a pristine, maxed-out 2015 MacBook Pro. Yet I think you're wrong about most of this. * I hate magsafe. I've owned a dozen of these and almost all of them have come apart just behind the magsafe connector. Expensive, proprietary, and fragile. I would much much rather have USB-C than shell out $90 every two years. * USB-C is great. A bunch of different ports means carrying a bunch of different c…

> I don't want a sexy svelte fragile expensive luxury status symbol. I want a rugged capital good that will reliably allow me to work for the next half-decade. Then why are you looking at Apple products at all? You're looking for a ThinkPad or an EliteBook. Fragile expensive luxury status symbols are exactly what Apple makes and always has ever since Jobs. Now they're just more blatant about it.

> You're looking for a ThinkPad or an EliteBook.

I've seen such recommendations before, so my first non-Mac purchase in a decade (~2014) was a ThinkPad. I used to love the nub in the '90s, and I got used to it again, but otherwise the keyboard was horrible, and I eventually had to replace it. (A big plus: it was really easy to do.) Right out of the box I had a dead pixel on the screen, and, when I told customer support, they said that they regarded a certain number of dead pixels as normal, and would not replace it.

I'm sure I just had a bad experience, but I have never had either of these problems with any Mac purchase (aside from the fucked-up-by-design modern keyboards).

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by electrichead »

subinsebastien wrote: post #460
FabHK wrote: post #156

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> I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. Same here (well, I have the "cheap" one without the Touch Bar). Everything has been replaced at least once (on Apple Care, fortunately) except the bottom plate. > The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying Same here. That MBA was a fine machine.

I have the 13" late 2013 Macbook Pro i7, 8GB. It is working perfectly fine, and as fast as it was on day one. Never replaced a single thing, and never had to do hard-drive wipe. The only problem I have is that, it is a 512GB SSD, and I have no free space left.

Did this one come with a DVD drive? You can swap out that for a secondary SSD

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by pushpop »

alashow wrote: post #452
jonplackett wrote: post #445

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Guaranteed anyone who doesn’t mind just doesn’t need to use escape very much. The problem with touchbar is it’s hard to use without looking at it - like most professionals do because it’s just muscle memory. Give me a real escape and I won’t mind the rest being a touch Bar. But I hope they make it like gaming keyboards that have real keys with tiny lcd displays on so you can customise the function but still have a re…

You can map your Caps Lock key to Esc.

Which just means you then rewrite your muscle memory to hit caps lock on all your colleagues computers by accident.

No thank you.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by darkpuma »

rbanffy wrote: post #476
alashow wrote: post #452

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You can map your Caps Lock key to Esc.

Caps lock is where God wanted Control to be.

It can be both. I know people who have it configured to be escape when it's pressed and released, but control when it's held down in combination with another key.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by ianai »

robocat wrote: post #482
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #364

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This app was released recently: https://pock.dev/ It puts the dock in your touchbar. It's the first time in the 9 months I've had this laptop where I've actually gone "ok, this is useful" and I am actually using it. I now have the dock auto hide and I mostly use the touch bar to open apps. That said, I'd still prefer they ditched the touchbar in favor of function keys. I'd be happy if they shrunk the ridiculous size…

Windows laptops are far worse than the touchbar: replacing the function keys with volume, brightness etc. The two worst keys are the touchpad lock key, and the WiFi key. Both of which "crash" the laptop when your average user hits them unintentionally: because either the touchpad stops working or the internet stops working. Absolute madness.

They did themselves disservice by replacing the f keys with a Touch Bar

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

rbanffy wrote: post #475
Perceptes wrote: post #71

I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they w…

Now, if we could get a durable keyboard and two keys at the touchbar row, esc to the left and power/fingerprint to the right and a nice touchbar in the middle with haptic feedback, that would be perfect. I don't use function keys much, and I need to confess the emoji keyboard is pretty neat.

Stop trying to normalize the Touch Bar by casually acting as if its existence is remotely acceptable. It never was.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by bmurphy1976 »

kkarakk wrote: post #401
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #364

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This app was released recently: https://pock.dev/ It puts the dock in your touchbar. It's the first time in the 9 months I've had this laptop where I've actually gone "ok, this is useful" and I am actually using it. I now have the dock auto hide and I mostly use the touch bar to open apps. That said, I'd still prefer they ditched the touchbar in favor of function keys. I'd be happy if they shrunk the ridiculous size…

honestly what do you use the dock for? i find i set up my windows in different workspaces at the beginning of the day and just toggle between them. the dock is more of an annoyance nowadays.

I do that as well, but I don't keep every app open all day long so the dock still comes in handy.
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