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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by slim »

neya wrote: post #216
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

The average consumer trusts our jugement. If we say motorola is the best phone, we will convert a significant chunk of consumers in as few as 5 years given the short life of the devices

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Post by coldtea »

actionfromafar wrote: post #295
coldtea wrote: post #269

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Banks shouldn't have custom apps that are not mobile websites, accessible via the mobile browser just as well.

Apparently there are special auth apps storing things in secure-enclave-ish parts of the OS. Not a great match for websites.

The OS/browser could give this capability to web apps via an API.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

BlueSialia wrote: post #367

I have degoogled my devices wherever I can. One of the main reasons I don't use an open source ROM is because I use my phone as my laptop thanks to lapdocks. Motorola's Ready For is the Android Desktop I use daily and I'd love to use a GrapheneOS-like ROM with that included.

GrapheneOS has supported connections to external displays (and mouse/keyboard) for some time now.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

tigrezno wrote: post #451
wolvoleo wrote: post #81

Hmm the one thing I'm kinda missing with grapheneos is mobile payments. The banks here in Europe used to have their own nfc apps but in my country they've all moved to Google wallet :( or Samsung pay. I don't want Google monitoring my payments so I'm using Samsung now but I'd love to have something more open for this. I was kinda hoping the partner would be Samsung so they might collaborate on a payment system too. I…

Yup, tried Graphene but went back to Android because of NFC payments.

Using your phone instead of a plastic card is that important to you, at the cost of your privacy?

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Post by n8cpdx »

Zak wrote: post #350
neya wrote: post #216

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This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

It's not just the average consumer. I continue to be surprised that so many developers and other tech nerds - the type who post on HN - chose and continue to choose the iPhone over Android when Apple dictates what apps they can install and locks third-party accessories out of certain features. Current times do present the opportunity to raise awareness of the issue though. App store bans for apps like ICEBlock, and v…

It’s surprising to me that people who care enough about software to make a living writing it would tolerate the abominable state of software on Android.

I tried switching but it is really hard when nearly every app is just horrible to use or missing basic features.

Sure there are some limitations on what software is easy to install (as there are and will be soon on Android), but at least iOS has software worthy of being installed.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by moffkalast »

maxloh wrote: post #431
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

I don’t think so. Motorola Mobility is owned by the Chinese Lenovo, making it an adversary-owned entity in the eyes of most Western governments. Even with a fully open-source OS and first-class MDM, the company would struggle to gain significant market share. The Hardware Root of Trust and the binary blobs would still be compiled by a firm that Western governments view as a fundamental supply-chain risk.

> Lenovo (/ləˈnoʊvoʊ/ lə-NOH-voh, Chinese: 联想; pinyin: Liánxiǎng), is a Hong Kong–based Chinese-American[11] multinational corporation

> Lenovo originated as an offshoot of a state-owned research institute.[14] Then known as Legend and distributing foreign IT products, co-founder Liu Chuanzhi incorporated[2] Legend in Hong Kong in an attempt to raise capital and was successfully permitted to build computers in China

Ok holy fuck, how did they stop that from being common knowledge? Nobody I know would ever think of Lenovo as nothing but another US company.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by rkagerer »

mendelmaleh wrote: post #167

One thing that bothers me is the seeming lack of transparency about who is running GrapheneOS. Daniel Micay supposedly stepped down, so who is calling the shots now? Who runs the CI? Who owns the update servers and signing keys? Who am I trusting?

Without criticizing or implying any conspiracy theories, I did find it odd where the news release quoted "a spokesperson at GrapheneOS" without attributing it.

We badly need alternative(s) like GrapheneOS, and I want to see it succeed. I hope as the project matures, the sense of professionalism and stability it projects will strengthen. For what it's worth, I personally feel the business partnership is a step toward that end, and am really happy to see some manufacturer diversity.

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Post by emporas »

behnamoh wrote: post #476
emporas wrote: post #473

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> What developers want and what the average consumer wants/needs are two different things. This description of average consumer is so 2021. Nowadays the average consumer can vibe code stuff and share it with his friends. So he needs a package manager not only an app store. I personally don't hold vibe coding in any high regard, I hate not knowing and controlling what code is running on my computer/device, but I can s…

> Nowadays the average consumer can vibe code stuff and share it with his friends. So he needs a package manager not only an app store. This is also developer fantasy for two reasons: (1) Most vibed apps suck in unpredictable ways. (2) Most avg consumers don't even know what Claude is, let alone Claude Code, let alone being good enough at vibing to produce anything of value.

>Most avg consumers don't even know what Claude is[..]

Vibe coding is very early and pretty expensive, but computers and the internet are always in an exponential curve, a curve much steeper than the rest of the economy. Give it 3 years, and you will be amazed.

Not everyone will be vibe coding. In every social circle of 10 people, 1 person will be good at that, and will develop programs for his/her friends.

>Most vibed apps suck in unpredictable ways.

Yes of course, it would be infinitely preferable for normal people to learn proper computer science, algorithms etc. We agree on that.

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