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Post by Bewelge »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #427
Bewelge wrote: post #326

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German here. That's not true. What crazy documentation do you require? An ID, proof of residence, and a business plan? (edit: you don't even need a business plan) That being said, everything about the process is annoying and you always have the feeling that you're doing something wrong or forgetting something. Together with some ridiculously slow processing times, it's the perfect combination to frustrate you and I'm…

> ... and a business plan? Why would the government need a business plan? It's none of their business what you want to do with your company besides a general description as "software development" or "consulting services" or whatever.

Actually I think I might be mistaken that you are even required to make a business plan. It's listed as one of the steps on the states portal about founding. But it goes on to say that it's not technically required, just highlights its importance.

https://www.existenzgruendungsportal.de/Navigation/DE/So-geh...

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Post by wolvoleo »

WarmWash wrote: post #424
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Those things are as designed. This is good. We don't want "at-will" employment like in the US. We want to have rights as employees. We want to have social welfare. We want our free healthcare. It's not a bug it's a feature. We don't want an American-style society. Current developments should be enough reason to understand why (and the understanding that Trump's backers are part of a huge group of people on the low si…

The EU has a borderline stagnant economy, couldn't defend itself from Russia, facing population collapse, totally whiffed on the tech scene explosion in the last 25 years, now also missing out on AI. European social obligations are expensive, yet nobody seems to really want to stress about creating new sources of wealth. At some point Europeans need to look in the mirror, and understand that the last 30 years has bee…

We can defend ourselves, it's just that the US didn't want a too-powerful Europe until trump. In particular nuclear. They heavily pushed against that.

We'll have to scale this up now but it is not a big problem.

Population collapse is a good thing. We already have too many people in this world, causing environmental and housing issues. We can't keep ever growing as humanity, stabilisation or even a reduction is very good. It'll cause some short term cash flow and elderly care issues but we'll deal with that.

And AI so far is more of a hollow promise and hype. It's not a race, the way America is approaching it it's inevitably going to lead to a bubble collapse.

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Post by LunaSea »

defo10 wrote: post #130
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> It takes 8 weeks from start to finish to be able to get paid for your first sale as a German company. You can bill as soon as you started the process afaik

You can bill, but the company owners are completely liable until the process is completed. Then the liability goes over to the company. Quite the risk if you ask me.

Not fucking-up in the first 8 weeks does not seem too difficult to achieve

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Post by Fraaaank »

apexalpha wrote: post #252

As a Dutch person I never understood this push until someone told me (and this is true in 2026!!!) that if you open a LLC (Gmbh?) in Germany you have to physically go to the notary and have a person READ OUT all the statutes to you. The whole process including banks accounts etc... can apparently take months in total. Personally I would not create "EU-INC" but just make all local entities legal in every country. Then…

It's the same in the Netherlands.

There is European legislation since 2024 that allows 'digital' notaries (Directive 2019/1151). Not many notaries support it though.

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Post by dark-star »

hexbin010 wrote: post #471
usrnm wrote: post #355

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> you have to physically go to the notary and have a person READ OUT all the statutes to you. I guess, you've never bought a house in the Netherlands then, because it's the same exact process

That is beyond hilarious lol. Finally found something the UK does better than the Netherlands ;)

I never understood why people focus on this "reading aloud" so much.

It's not so much about the reading out loud, it's about making sure you understand (so that you cannot later claim "but I didn't know about this, nobody explained it to me properly")

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Post by AlanYx »

martin_a wrote: post #473
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I'm surprised that Germany never relaxed the in-person notarization requirements during COVID. A lot of jurisdictions around the world did change their rules to allow remote notarization.

They did. This can be done online since August 2022.

Interesting, thanks! Apparently it requires a German eID-enabled ID card (or compatible EU ID) and doesn't include transactions involving real estate, but still it's progress.

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Post by vladms »

dathinab wrote: post #358
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> - Standardized investment documents All investments I took part of implied a lot of back and forth on conditions adapted to the specific case, preferences, fears, etc. I have doubts that "standardization" can be reasonable achieved here. > - Standardized EU-wide stock options EU does not have attributions on tax, it's the national governments that do (see https://european-union.europa.eu/priorities-and-actions/acti…

the proposal itself, and my comments, say no tax will be on country basis, that doesn't block standardized stock options. It just means that on monetization events taxes you pay on stocks might differ (they anyway will depending on where you live independent on anything on the company side).

I hope someone talked with lawyers that know what can be done.

I would love a (more) unified system (tax, rules, etc.). Multiple organizations/think-tanks recommended more unified systems for the EU on this topics.

The problem is if it does not fall under the EU competences it will be hard to implement at that level. To quote:

> While the businesses and objectives targeted by the 28th regime are specified to some extent, it is unclear which firms would specifically have access to it, and which aspects of the business code would be covered. The competences of the EU are likely to constitute boundaries in this respect.

source: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2025/7792...

In a way, it's like programming. The difficult part are the exceptions, corner cases or unplanned interactions. Countries are very reluctant to give up control over some topics (tax being one of them) and they also have lawyers.

I welcome any help entrepreneurs can receive. But after trying it a couple of times (software stuff, might be a specific case) I personally didn't find the rules for creation/tax were that of a problem, compared to the requirements that in many other instances I felt were imposed to the newly/newlish formed enterprise (ex: want to apply to a project? you have to have existed for 3 years; want that subsidy? you need to show us you are having X partners) to lower the risk for the existing (public and private) organizations.

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Post by matesz »

pegasus wrote: post #477
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Its important to understand the context. Germany, and Europe in general, is basically like a falling empire. It will be less and less significant and life won't get any better than it is relatively speaking. The same will almost certainly happen with the US, but first goes Europe. Unfortunately citizens and therefore ruling elites of empires fueled by relatively extremely high standard of living for decades in compar…

Are you foretelling the dissolution of the British Empire which happened many decades ago? Are you saying Algeria will soon be free of French colonial rule? Is your middle name Nostradamus?

It isn't prophecy. The Harvard Belfer Center study (Thucydides's Trap) analyzed 16 cases in the last 500 years where a rising power challenged a ruling empire: 12 of them ended in war.

The UK is actually the perfect example of this danger. The British Empire didn't dissolve peacefully - it was effectively destroyed by WWI and WWII while trying to suppress a rising Germany.

The subsequent transfer of hegemony to the US was a rare statistical anomaly (a "special case" driven by shared culture and total British exhaustion), but the Empire’s fall itself was catastrophic.

The pattern is violence, not peace. And remember that other aspiring nations to maintain it's position as Empire actively acting to destabilize situation in other states. The reason is simple - it is easiest way to maintain their status.

Brexit for instance was a boon for everybody but UK and EU. There is clear data already about Russian intervention. Recent overt US intervention into ensuring UK remaining separate and EU becoming separate. Think about it.

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Post by whynotmaybe »

egorfine wrote: post #245
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You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? Each time the Commission comes with a new rule, most countries agree with it. And if its an "unpopular", the game for each gov is to blame the EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromyth http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

> You know that EU bureaucrats do what each country want them to do right? I'n not entirely sure about that. The vast majority of entrepreneurs are complaining about unrealistic requirements and inconceivable burdens in Germany. Certainly no one wants any of this. Yet somehow the rules pile up.

It's the same in Belgium where it takes weeks to start a business, but as a French said to me some time ago, it's better than in France.

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Post by stevenally »

academia_hack wrote: post #168

It's inordinately difficult and expensive to start an LLC or SA in some EU countries. It's even difficult and expensive to _stop_ an LLC and dissolve it. Huge amount of risk and cost on founders and a huge distraction from running a business. I think that EU-Inc _could_ be an improvement, but it needs to avoid the committee laundry list of ideas/requirements/form fields that plagues the EU startup ecosystem. My worry…

In the USA California, Texas, Delaware etc all have different company registration and compliance processes. This has not damaged the business environment.

It should be left to each EU country to decide how to manage their company compliance processes. Those companies can then easily trade all over the EU.

You can easily set up a company in Ireland.

The EU does not to over reach with one-size-fits-all regulations. That will eventually lead to it's dissolution. It needs to concentrate on maintaining a free trade area.

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