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Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by layer8 »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #169

Yes please! I tripped over this recently. It's a bigger deal than it might seem. You'd be surprised at some of the weird things that can happen in the current systems in the EU if you try to do business across borders. Like: your company suddenly automatically becoming deregistered, or you might get a sudden huge tax bill, or you might even inadvertently get charged with fraud. Hasn't happened so far knock on wood ,…

> This is all because the national systems still sort of assume that you'll live and work and stay inside one EU country.

It’s more because taxes and the judiciary are bound to countries.

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Post by sevenzero »

matesz wrote: post #216

My Dear German friends, please accept that EU-inc is a massive boost for EU competitiveness. Continuing to block progress here only proves that the EU is good at making promises on paper but fails to deliver real change. The reason this "28th regime" actually works—and bypasses the previous vetos — is that it’s optional. It doesn’t try to force Germany to change its local GmbH laws or kill the notary system overnight…

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Post by sunshine-o »

Anybody get a xkcd 927 [0] feel here?

Also to move forward maybe it is time to stop using words like "innovation", "ecosystem" and "startups" all over because they seem to have lost their meaning over time.

Most of Europe have been screaming those buzzwords, invested a lot of money and tinkered its bureaucracy to enable them for at least 25 years. With obviously very little results.

So maybe it is time to think out of the box.

Maybe the real "ecosystem" includes the people cleaning the toilets, the farmers growing potatoes and the electricians. Those people are even more crushed by the bureaucracy. Maybe lifting up everybody is the way forward.

I would welcome any reform that does not target a specific type of actor (like "startups"), need to be plugged in to the latest tax shelter or need for a lawyer.

- [0] https://xkcd.com/927/

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by dbbk »

neximo64 wrote: post #97

Can't work legally speaking. There has to be a single sponsoring member state. Just sadly how the EU is designed. The only way would be to copy it individually so it is the same in each member state which breaks the purpose of it.

They've already said it'll be the 28th state

Re: EU–INC – A new pan-European legal entity

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Post by sevenzero »

tietjens wrote: post #290
inanothertime wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

National sovereignty is not national pride. Paying company taxes to the 28th regime evicts tax contributions to the company's home nation. Massive German tax money is already today used for non-national interests. EU-inc makes this only worse.

> Massive German tax money is already today used for non-national interests. Please elaborate. You're complaining that DE tax funds go to the EU? Very curious what you're talking about and your rational.

It's one of the idiotic "our tax money is spent for bicycle lanes in foreign countries" mindsets many right wingers share in Germany.

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Post by Bewelge »

egorfine wrote: post #289
moritzwarhier wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies are treated like persons legally and while I'm sure there is too much bureaucracy in many places, I'm also sure that there are important documents that should be required. For example to make sure that a company can be held responsible when it breaks the law. There are already enough loopholes to disconnect legal responsibility from profit-taking, and not every company is benign. Sure, if the documents cann…

There is a huge spectrum between "require impossible documentation" and "require none". Germany and EU are heading towards the former.

German here. That's not true. What crazy documentation do you require? An ID, proof of residence, and a business plan? (edit: you don't even need a business plan)

That being said, everything about the process is annoying and you always have the feeling that you're doing something wrong or forgetting something. Together with some ridiculously slow processing times, it's the perfect combination to frustrate you and I'm sure it ultimately reduces innovation.

But in reality, getting all the paperwork together is probably a couple of hours of work. You can buy services that do it for you for a couple of hundred Euros.

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Post by pjc50 »

hijodelsol wrote: post #299
_petronius wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true of all contract notarization in Germany (even when buying a house, jesus that is a slog), and although it is a bendy-banana level silly thing that people focus on, isn't actually the biggest problem in company founding here. MUCH more problematic is unfavorable tax rules making equity compensation difficult, capital requirements, legal/notary fees, and an investor class that is notoriously skittish. If y…

I agree. The notary process is a bit annoying, but it only costs 500-1,000 euros. Yes, that's not ideal, but if you're building a proper business, that shouldn't be an issue. You can typically get an appointment within a week, no matter where you are or where your company is registered. However, once the notary sends your documents off, it can take days or weeks for the registry courts to handle them. You have to reg…

In the UK there's an API https://developer.company-information.service.gov.uk/overvie... and it costs £50. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/companies-house-f...

Why is Germany ten times less efficient?

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Post by bluecalm »

EU like making new regulation. There are simpler steps to make doing business here easier:

-force banks to respect EU free trade union and stop them from discriminating EU citizens and companies who are not citizens

-stop abuse when it comes to currency conversion rates

-raise VAT-free threshold to something that doesn't catch very small companies, 200k EUR in sales to EU would be a good start (currently it's 10k)

-force EU countries to move all the bureaucracy online; it's very realistic, Poland has done it (it's not 100% yet but close to it)

-enforce English as 2nd official language for business related paperwork

Instead I am pretty sure we will get more paperwork, requirements and way for bureaucrats to prolong every process and request more documents on the way.

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Post by goldenarm »

embedding-shape wrote: post #318
goldenarm wrote: post #311

@dang This post is an Ad for unofficial merch, profiting from an ongoing news story. Should we change the URL ? https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/da/speech... https://tech.eu/2026/01/20/the-european-commission-launches-...

This submission originally did link to https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/da/speech... , but was later changed to this. Or two submissions (one for each URL) was linked/merged. But something used to link to the press release rather than this website, FWIW. Also, about reducing it down to "an Ad for unofficial merch", isn't this literally the grassroot movement that led to what was announced today? Or…

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Post by dewey »

jsumrall wrote: post #253

I wonder who owns this eu-inc.org website and is selling the merch. In the ToS it states: >These Terms are governed by the laws of the State of California

One of them is https://klinger.io who has been lobbying and working on this EU Inc topic for a while if you follow him on Linkedin.
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