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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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What’s good about physical SIMs? I do like apple for daring to improve the status quo there, so I want my European Edition with only e-simsz

I know nothing about esims, what makes them so much better than a physical sim? I can't say I have any major qualms with what I have right now, I just shove it in my phone and forget about it.

It takes up space for no good reason, especially if you want to use multiple numbers.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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But it is way too hard to cleanly separate the hardware from the software without introducing extra complexity and security issues.

Is it though? Looking at Linux and all the devices it powers (including most of the internet infrastructure) - it would seem that it is possible to do pretty good security on very open software that's as separate from the hardware as can be.

Now you’re saying that—I as somebody that very much appreciates the advantages my…for instance…Apple Silicon MacBook Pro has over a ThinkPad running Ubuntu—should not have the right to purchase the product I like because of your ideology dictating arbitrary restrictions over what’s on the market.

Don’t conflate user freedom with just…being salty that not every product is for you.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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How come I can run so much software compiled from source then?

I don't know what platform you're using, what app distribution method you used, where the code was compiled, if the code was signed, where it was signed and by who, etc. A generic answer to your question is that the software was signed by whoever compiled or distributed the software, which can include your own machine. Your own key might be in your trust store or your app distribution method might put their key in yo…

I compiled it myself. It’s not signed as far as I know. I didn’t disable anything…

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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> iOS is an example of a more closed platform and has shown that closed platforms can be successful. It is successful despite being closed, not because of it.

Do you have any evidence backing this idea? It is reasonable to believe that the closed platform allowed for the platform to be more trust worthy making it grow faster due to more people seeing it as a platform they can trust. Or maybe an open platform would have led to mass piracy of apps meaning there is less motivation for developers to make apps.

> Do you have any evidence backing this idea?

First search in Google.

https://source.sheridancollege.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?articl...

Also, from my own discussion over the years with different people, security topic popped up only when iOS fans tried to diss Android users.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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> And you cannot use a third party browser, since they forbid that (all are Safari based) I think this has turned out to be the current barrier in preventing Google from completing taking over the web standards space.

Apple's ban of all browsers but Safari turned out to be the main barrier preventing progressive web apps from being viable, deepening the duopoly power of themselves and Google, because Apple refuses to implement basic browser standards that are necessary for PWAs. And then when they do implement similar browser standards, they don't follow any web standards, they instead make their own proprietary bespoke web standa…

For years Google been stamping "standards" one after another even though other browser vendors were against many of them and they end up being Chrome-only.

No matter what Apple itself does Safari being major non-Chromium browser helps Firefox a lot just by existing and having huge marketshare.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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You are (usually) buying a perpetual licence which is revocable, not renting a licence, so the language is correct. Common usage of the word 'buy' also applies here - the term 'rent' would be confusing to a customer and would usually imply it being time-limited (often days).

Yeah, if I'm buying a revocable license, the language should be "renting". It's not the same as having ownership over the thing I'm licensing.

Well if you are buying something, of course the language can be "buy".

And you do have ownership of the licence.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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What’s good about physical SIMs? I do like apple for daring to improve the status quo there, so I want my European Edition with only e-simsz

If you travel to more than 1 or 2 countries per year, especially less developed countries, you'll learn that your life (connection) depends on picking up cheap $5-15 sim cards at the border for each country. I couldn't imagine them jumping on the esim train in any useful way in the near term.

There are multiple companies like Airalo offering pre-paid $5-15 eSIM cards for most countries in the world. They also offer continental and global eSIM working in multiple countries if you are moving a lot. The offering is a lot better than what you find at the border and you don’t have to get your passport scanned by a random person. Most backpackers I know switched a long time ago.

It’s actually the scenario that finally convinced me that eSIM was a good idea.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I think Apple has also done good things with their strict app store policies (from my consumer point of view). Apple has been for example putting limits on data collection and tracking. The main mechanism is to kick apps out from Apps store if they don't play by the rules. I'm worried that side loading will be a step back here. Strong players, like Facebook, may just take their app away from the official store and di…

Looking at Android, where sideloading has been available forever, there doesn't seem any evidence of your worry.

Recent example: https://www.reuters.com/technology/google-suspends-chinas-pi... Malicious app in alternative store, the one in Google Play is different.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Dealing with the carrier is usually the worst part of owning a phone. Asking for a new esim is likely to send you down a path of navigating a process where they try to sell you an upgrade, or they send you a QR code that doesn't work, or a million other possible problems.

> Dealing with the carrier is usually the worst part of owning a phone. It's probably intentional. I was reading an article in the French press the other day [0] on the subject. Some head of something or other in the industry said they were weary of mostly Apple, Samsung, and Google starting to like playing the providers and removing the actual carriers from the users' psyche. "The SIM card is the last physical link…

When I bought my phone last year at a carrier store, they really, really pushed me to get a physical SIM card. I asked them why they wanted me to install a physical SIM they told me I’ll get higher data speeds.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I suppose it's true in the same way that having knives in your kitchen makes it more likely that you might cut yourself. but a kitchen without knives kind of sucks so

I don't think kitchens should have knives. I want my parents to be able to eat, but with knives in the kitchen they occasionally cut their fingers and I don't want to have to deal with that. You could make it optional but before you know it they'll get knives anyway. Besides, most people eat processed food and don't want to make meals from scratch so this is only a problem for a handful of people. (yes yes this is sa…

If Apple's social media team is hiring, you should apply - this is exactly the irritating kind of replies I get when I criticise some Apple product. :)
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