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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
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#482A freaky thing that this paper doesn’t mention is that in some cases these tics have gotten so extreme, that one patient began having almost constant seizures and became wheelchair-bound. Imagine being “infected” by watching a video on TikTok! It sounds like a horror movie. From The Guardian: “Over the next few weeks, Wacek noticed that she was having tics. “They were just little noises,” she says. “Nothing to write…
> It sounds like a horror movie.
Might I interest you in Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson.
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#483Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In other words, people who moved on from the gender assigned to them at birth. Yes, and the Latin word trānseō (nominal form trānsitiō → English: transition) means exactly to "go on across", "go beyond". Trāns ("across, beyond") + eō, it ("I go, he/she/it goes") + tiō (→ English: "-tion"). It's a distinction without a difference.
My point is that they share a source and are siblings, but one is not the parent of the other. Being transgender is not about the medical or social transition, it is about how the person identifies.
> it is about how the person identifies.
What does it mean to "identify" with a claim about what society is like - namely that "binary" gender might be more of a spectrum, with weird liminal stages in-between? You've said that this is what "non-binary" is about. How does this even begin to square with all those other notions about gender identity being something exceedingly clearcut, that someone can base major life decisions on?
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
#484A freaky thing that this paper doesn’t mention is that in some cases these tics have gotten so extreme, that one patient began having almost constant seizures and became wheelchair-bound. Imagine being “infected” by watching a video on TikTok! It sounds like a horror movie. From The Guardian: “Over the next few weeks, Wacek noticed that she was having tics. “They were just little noises,” she says. “Nothing to write…
Wow, This reminds me of the virus in Snow Crash
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#485This may be speculation but I believe that part of the problem is that TikTok is very good at finding content which entertains you even when you shouldn't be entertained based on your current mental health/emotions. This means it targets more unhealthy pathways in order to elicit an emotional reaction.
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#486Earlier quoted context omitted.
There may be a relation to military conditioning. I spent just a single week at a military academy introductory program in high school and when I returned home I was "uncontrollably" (if I thought about it I could avoid doing it, but if I was on autopilot it happened by itself) squaring my corners and calling my family "sir" and "ma'am". The thing was, those patterns were my entire life for that week, and they were v…
Reminds me of how Americans spend a couple of months in the UK and return with an affected British accent. Before social media, there were movies that molded society. Bollywood and more recently K-dramas/K-pop have influenced an entire generation. Often these were used for shaping a younger generation as a long term strategy for a desirable adult demographic. To a certain extent, it is happening in our American publi…
I feel that might be overstating things. Otherwise we would all be speaking in a transatlantic accent.
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
#487A freaky thing that this paper doesn’t mention is that in some cases these tics have gotten so extreme, that one patient began having almost constant seizures and became wheelchair-bound. Imagine being “infected” by watching a video on TikTok! It sounds like a horror movie. From The Guardian: “Over the next few weeks, Wacek noticed that she was having tics. “They were just little noises,” she says. “Nothing to write…
Yeah, I'm surprised on a forum like this people are using it as an opportunity to be like "ugh kids these days in $current_year seeking attention" and not "holy shit this is fascinating." Social media turned "picking up an accent" up to 11 in a way that actually manifests in tangible problems.
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#488This is alarmist BS. Facebook group fodder. “Humans have working mirror neurons” could have been the headline. All of you futurists who have slipped down the slope are worried about media spreading “sociogenic illness”. Of course media is powerful. It always has been. There has been about 75 years of fears and schemes about using TV to mass hypnotize its watchers. The same with radio before it. What is happening is m…
> these lifelong genetic differences I'm not aware of convincing evidence that bipolar and schizophrenia are of genetic origin (other than that schizophrenia sometimes runs in families). There are serious people that insist that they originate in childhood trauma. And since childhood trauma also sometimes runs in families, family histories of schizophrenia aren't that convincing either.
Wiki says "Genetic factors account for about 70–90% of the risk of developing bipolar disorder." https://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/resources-support/bipol... says 80%, and says "If one parent has bipolar disorder, there’s a 10% chance that their child will develop the illness. / If both parents have bipolar disorder, the likelihood of their child developing bipolar disorder rises to 40%."
One of the cited papers is "Family, twin, and adoption studies of bipolar disorder". Link that gives only the abstract: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14601036/
I haven't dug into the paper yet, but there's a starting point.
Edit: The paper says "More recent (and rigorous) studies that have compared concordance rates specifically of bipolar disorder among MZ [monozygotic] and DZ [dizygotic] twin pairs are summarized in table 2." The table shows four studies that gave concordances of 0.00-0.08 for dizygotic twins, and 0.36-0.75 for monozygotic twins.
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#489I wonder how similar this is to (sexy baby) valley girl upspeak & vocal fry. Many young women picked this up from the Kardashians/Paris Hilton and now cannot "turn it off". We know this is not their 'natural' voice because if you ask them to make weird sounds and then a normal voice, then their normal voice sounds completely different than the sexy baby voice. The weird thing is that the women themselves are surprise…
Probably also, gay voice. I'm pretty sure a lot of young (not yet gay) men don't have that voice until later in life.
I was friends with a nurse who told a story about a gay man who went into surgery. He had a heavy, stereotypical gay accent. But when he initially woke up after the surgery it was gone, and as the anesthesia faded, the accent slowly came back.
I'm sure it varies for each individual, but for at least some gay men, some portion of their accent might be an affectation (even if it's largely subconscious).
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#490Earlier quoted context omitted.
EMDR therapy may help with something like that.
EMDR looks mighty hinky to me. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11393607/ "In sum, EMDR appears to be no more effective than other exposure techniques, and evidence suggests that the eye movements integral to the treatment, and to its name, are unnecessary."
That research is likely out of date.