Americans so aggressive to cry China bad yet do this stuff to their whistle blowers.
Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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The most infuriating among all of them has been our media - specifically mainstream media. They have played the entire saga down and in many cases many mainstream media pundits actively espoused for Assanges punishment [1]. I no longer hold the view that our media deserves the first amendment protection that it does. Mainstream media right now has no other purpose other than being active vehicle of the powerful and b…
Nah, they should keep the 1st Amendment for the journalists. The medias' marketing departments and execs, however, should be regulated to within an inch of their lives. If they let their journos spout shit, they should be legally on the hook if they EVER claim truth. If they lie, don't allow them to take advertiser or subscriber money. You can say whatever you want, but you can't charge people for it and you can't li…
Who decides who is lying?
If the media and government are in bed today, won't that get worse when the government can arbitrate what truth is harming the not mainstream media?
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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Democratic-party affiliated journalists. Even left-of-center journalists. But the Clinton emails were an exposure of attacks against Sanders. It's so bizarre that Glenn Beck's view of the world, making Wall Street Iraq Warriors who ended welfare as we knew it and who put more black people in prison than anyone while deregulating everything into basically Lenin, ate up even the libertarian right.
What a different world we would be living in if Bernie Sanders had won the US presidential elections.
I fear we'd just be in another JFK situation. We're only allowed so much representative government.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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Can't imagine why anyone would want to run to China to hide from the U.S. of all places, in this scenario. "I'm going to flee from one dystopian state, to another even more dystopian/technocratic/autocratic state!"
I'm not sure technocratic means what you think it means: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/technocr... i.e it's a net positive to have a technocratic state, deferring decision making to those with the technical skills to do it.
That's one interpretation. Other one is that a technocracy regime is done IRL to push highly biased and ideological policies on the guise of being the only/best choice by the experts.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#485Earlier quoted context omitted.
Democratic-party affiliated journalists. Even left-of-center journalists. But the Clinton emails were an exposure of attacks against Sanders. It's so bizarre that Glenn Beck's view of the world, making Wall Street Iraq Warriors who ended welfare as we knew it and who put more black people in prison than anyone while deregulating everything into basically Lenin, ate up even the libertarian right.
What a different world we would be living in if Bernie Sanders had won the US presidential elections.
I'm not so sure a Sanders presidency with a Republican congress would have been super different. He promised to also crack down on immigration, impose tariffs, end trade deals, and pull out of Afghanistan. He is/was also very skeptical of longstanding alliances and NATO. With not power to legislate, he'd have likely done some similar things as an executive.
Would he have been as embarrassing and corrupt, probably not, but there more to an administration than all of that.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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I suspect Assange doesn't regret this. I kind of get the impression that becoming a martyr was a sacrifice he was prepared to make if he managed to rip off the mask and expose the unbridled imperialist evil lurking underneath the "civilized press conference veneer" presented by the US government.
I suspect Assange does not want to be tortured and murdered and thus does not want this. Are you insane ?
From the article:
"The US had offered four assurances, including that Mr Assange would not be subject to solitary confinement pre or post-trial or detained at the ADX Florence Supermax jail - a maximum security prison in Colorado - if extradited.
Lawyers for the US said he would be allowed to transfer to Australia to serve any prison sentence he may be given closer to home.
And they argued Mr Assange's mental illness "does not even come close" to being severe enough to prevent him from being extradited."
So assuming that the international community cannot avoid his extradition, to make sure that those assurances are true and can be hold, would be already a win, no?
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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My point is the way founding fathers envisioned first amendment protection, they never foresaw the rise of a small billionaires oligarchs owning large stake of media and newspapers to promote views favouring their narratives. I am not speaking of first amendment of individuals which I think is also under attack by the same group of people, look how the mainstream media would love to cancel certain people they don’t l…
The idea that people who lived in a time of tarring-and-feathering people couldn't anticipate cancel culture is a bit silly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Brown_(loyalist) > Brown requested the liberty to hold his own opinions, saying that he could "never enter into an Engagement to take up arms against the Country which gave him being", and finally met their demands with pistol and sword. The crowd seized him…
Not to mention fairly regular extrajudicial lynchings. The rule of law is respected far more today than it was in the 1770s.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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Most left journalists were dancing in joy when Assange got arrested. They never forgave him for exposing the Clinton emails and ensured he was heavily character assassinated over the next several years. He also became a victim of the #MeToo movement at its height. He was openly called evil/narcissist/etc in many "opinion" pieces. All the other important stuff he revealed never got the level of attention it deserved.
That's how a well articulated propaganda campaign looks like.
That's what a poorly articulated propaganda campaign looks like.
The better ones you can't tell so easily.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
I knew him as the founder and director of Wikileaks, and that Wikileaks collaborates with a number of publications to get the content of some classified information known to the general public. I didn't know that Julian Assange wrote much himself and in similar fashion worked directly as a journalist. So I'd say that at least one person (me) knew about him without knowing him as a journalist. Your last sentence make…
The reason you heard of Wikileaks and Assange isn't for golf. It is for publishing journalism and in particular journalism containing a vast number of journalistic scoops. So many that it catapulted him to international fame. If you believed wikileaks and Assange were famous for golfing or hacking or leaking or baking pie I have sympathy because the smears on what they did and do have been as relentless as they have…
I cannot recall a single journalistic work of Julian Assange.
All I know is that he facilitated the dumping of US classified documents onto a publicly accessible webpage. Not making a moral judgment about that here, but that is _exclusively_ the way in which I know him.
Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules
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Half-assed document dumps aren't journalism. He's a leaker, he didn't put any of the documents in context.
He leaked /nothing/. No really. Absolutely nothing. He published documents leaked by others as supporting evidence for his journalism and to allow other journalists to use the source material. The documents were redacted in partnership with the Guardian, New York Times, Washington Post, El Pais, Le Monde and various others who also linked the source documents. As soon as you have a standard for what doesn't qualify a…
Wait, are sources journalists now?