> The arguments the two sides put forward, in other words, are complex and debatable. But many trans activists think that any disagreement is tantamount to hate speech and try to suppress it. This is 100% my personal experience also. Even on HN last week someone said I should try to be a "better human" and compared my suggestion that maybe someone might oppose transgender women in women's spaces for reasons other tha…
It looks like your account has been using HN primarily for ideological battle. Can you please not do that? It's against the rules here because it destroys the curious conversation that HN is supposed to exist for. We ban accounts that do this, regardless of what their ideology happens to be. See [1] for more explanation. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the in…
A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities
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Re: A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities
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==I can choose to identify as black if I like.== What is the benefit for you? Is it trolling?
Let us say that the OP believes in reincarnation and believes that his soul is black, used to live in black bodies, and was mistakenly reincarnated into a white body on this occasion, but still feels black and carries memories of being black. Quite a lot of people on Earth believe in reincarnation and would find such a situation entirely possible. The question is, is a Western country obliged to respect a religious a…
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This was ironically one of the things that was hardest about coming out as gay, for me. Nobody ever treated me the same way again. I was either uncomfortably praised or silently judged, with practically no in-between. Suffice to say, my sexuality is on a need-to-know basis, now.
As someone who is CIS, I also don't try to imply a sexuality in myself or others unless I'm with people I know. I try not to speak about my wife, but my "spouse" and try to use gender-neutral terms where appropriate.
I often wonder where this misconception originated: why do people think that "cis" is an acronym? What do they think it stands for? It's just a prefix; the antonym of "trans."
Re: A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities
#484Can someone please tell me how important this topic based on the amount of news time and eyeballs it attracts relative to the number of people that it affects? The numbers I can find for US citizens is: 0.6% or 1,988,696 out 331,449,281 of people total for the entirety of the US in 2021. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_Unite... In the UK where the featured article took place the latest poll I…
I find it funny and illuminating to read about conservative cis gays complaining about those darn genderqueer "kids, these days". All media fads aside, we simply haven't reached "queer equilibrium" yet where increasing acceptance of past social categories no longer triggers the emergence of new ones.
Re: A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities
#485On other subjects on HN (software, mostly), I find curious, questioning people, who will, for the most part, engage very seriously with the subject matter. I think this is because users here engage with software -- the creation, maintenance, collaboration, the joy and misery of it all -- frequently and with a passion for nuance. When high-visibility articles on trans people show up, it's almost inevitably when our tr…
The Gender Critical Feminists do make up bogeyman stories about rapists in prisons, trans women disrupting breast feeding groups etcetera.
The Trans lobby though has also been guilty of the same sort of thing. E.g. I am no fan of professional sport (I hope this kills it dead) but to claim that trans women have no advantage over natal women is opinion not fact. The main fault line ion our society is gender, and to claim otherwise is simply wrong. (Not all Trans activists do that, just as not all Gender Critical Feminists are mean).
To me it is heartbreaking that this is not about fixing that fault line. No person has the right to take a interest in another person's gender unless they are their doctor or fancy them and are fussy. That is the issue we should address - how boys are raised to be violent sexual predators requiring female admiration and women are raised to be weak victims requiring male support.
That is getting lost, instead of helping fix the fault line, this debate (the excess of heat, deficiency of light) is making it worse.
Re: A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities
#4861. A woman and her two daughters went into a unisex bathroom. As you might expect, there were men there. Then nothing happened. Also, several years earlier, she went into a women's bathroom that indicated it allowed transgender women, but there weren't any there. https://www.noconflicttheysaid.org/post/scienceworks-immunol...
2. A trans woman in a Facebook group for mothers was trying to simulate a pregnancy and asked people there to share their experience with miscarriages since she knew she couldn't have a baby in the end. She also said she would like to breastfeed someone else's baby. As far as it's indicated, these requests were not made to anyone in particular, they were just posted in Facebook group. https://www.noconflicttheysaid.org/post/online-group-for-bre...
3. Some trans students at a girl's school don't have to wear the uniform, miss school a lot, and do school projects on transgender issues. Apparently, other students resent them for this. https://www.noconflicttheysaid.org/post/all-girls-senior-sch...
4. A trans woman cursed at some counter-protesters at a trans rights rally. In the included video, we see that this was in reaction to the counter-protesters (although not the same ones apparently) spraying water(?) at people. https://www.noconflicttheysaid.org/post/who-s-unsafe-on-camp...
5. A woman who was previously sexually assaulted by men says that she gets nervous and her body tenses up when she's sees a large man. She claims that this is something trans women will never understand. This is completely ridiculous: I myself have this reaction too if I'm alone or it's at night (in a way I did not before I transitioned), and I know other trans women who have similar anxieties about men in general. Anyway, the story is that a trans woman on a bus (where trans women have always been allowed) told some young women that they were pretty and asked them where they bought clothes and underwear. I'll admit that's a bit creepy, but no more so than things men already say to women in public spaces. And again, is the suggestion to ban trans women from buses? https://www.noconflicttheysaid.org/post/trans-woman-harassin...
6. There was a trans woman in a women's bathroom lingering near the sink. https://www.noconflicttheysaid.org/post/women-s-toilets-in-h...
Re: A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities
#487Can someone please tell me how important this topic based on the amount of news time and eyeballs it attracts relative to the number of people that it affects? The numbers I can find for US citizens is: 0.6% or 1,988,696 out 331,449,281 of people total for the entirety of the US in 2021. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_Unite... In the UK where the featured article took place the latest poll I…
Those groups aren’t subjected to violence just for existing. The comparisons aren’t at all one to one.
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In academic discourse, there is no consensus on whether or not TERF constitutes a slur. But if we want to be accommodating to those who take offense with the term, we can use the term Gender Critical.
“Trans-exclusionary radical feminist” sounds pretty pejorative, most especially the “radical” part.
It is a real branch inside feminism, which lots of women identify with, and it doesn't mean what most people think it does.
Re: A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities
#489Can someone please tell me how important this topic based on the amount of news time and eyeballs it attracts relative to the number of people that it affects? The numbers I can find for US citizens is: 0.6% or 1,988,696 out 331,449,281 of people total for the entirety of the US in 2021. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_Unite... In the UK where the featured article took place the latest poll I…
It's not impactful in terms of the number of people, but its a civil rights issue for those on the left. And for those on the right its just one more group trying to change things from the status quo.
It's also a complex issue. I sit pretty far on the left, but the various issues related to trans policy I find to often not have a clear solution -- most notably around sports and fairness. Sigh.
Re: A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities
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You can notice this in a few fields of popular ideologies these days, that is overcorrecting for a problem to the point of becoming exactly the thing one was originally fighting against. I am of the somewhat progressive-unpopular opinion that some people have an unhealthy interest in how they label themselves and how others perceive them, and in the attempts to be supportive the popular opinion is doing more harm tha…
> You can notice this in a few fields of popular ideologies these days, that is overcorrecting for a problem to the point of becoming exactly the thing one was originally fighting against. I've noticed this too, it's not only gender ideology but racial ideology and more. Seems to be form of ideological "pilot-induced oscillation"[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot-induced_oscillation "[Pilot-induced oscillati…
In the beginning the radical idea is a basic kind of equality where some kind of person shouldn't be disadvantaged for some characteristic.
There is then a growth phase where many people join and small specific victories turn into general victories.
There is then a shrinking phase where people leave the movement or lose zeal as general victories are had.
The movement keeps much of its ideology capital and with the more moderate people losing interest, the median ideology moves towards special privileges for hyper-specific characteristics defended by a very real "the problem still exists".
The end stage is a movement that tries to conflate its extreme views as being equally as beyond question and equally morally right as the views during the growth phase, and you get conflict when people have a hard time sorting out the complexities of which is right and which is too far... and you get the backlash where the basic right is threatened by the connection with the extreme views... and so it goes.
The 21st century is the century of complexity, the basic problems are often solved and the complex ones need more nuance than the basic ones took... and the struggle is getting this point across that things aren't as simple as they were before.