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Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by MichaelZuo »

soniman wrote: post #477
MichaelZuo wrote: post #460

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But what are their financing rates? They conceivably could have better long term security due to their position. And thus be fine with a higher debt loading. Utilities, at least those with a monopoly license, are quite close to State-owned-enterprise (SOEs).

You think they're going to pay off $168,000,000,000 of debt at the current rates? Maybe. If not, watch out.

Well if they have a monopoly in certain areas/sectors and the only alternative to raising prices is bankruptcy... I’m pretty sure they can raise prices arbitrarily.

That actually raises an interesting question, how are monopoly licenses valued? If their value can be bumped up every year on the balance sheet...

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by jonny_eh »

pjc50 wrote: post #354
gizmo686 wrote: post #266

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Sending a warning before a bombing isn't that uncommon. It's less common (although not entirely unheard of) if the bombing is a terrorist attack. But if, as you suggest, that target is infrastructure, the only real reason to not give a warning is tactical. WIthout knowing who is responsible for it, it is possible they wanted to inflict whatever damage they had in mind, without causing any loss of life or human injuri…

Warnings tend to come with political bombings. But in this case we have a bombing with no manifesto - yet. A lot of effort for unclear purpose.

Hard not to jump to the conclusion that it was some Q-Anon inspired attack on "5G".

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by willis936 »

harperlee wrote: post #393
rorykoehler wrote: post #308

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The IRA nearly always sent warnings in the 90s. Usually by calling a radio station with a code word.

Same with ETA in Spain. > It's less common (although not entirely unheard of) if the bombing is a terrorist attack. But if, as you suggest, that target is infrastructure A terrorist attack’s first objective is to cause terror, not to kill people. Thus warning in advance is also effective to instill terror. And separating terrorism from bombing infrastructure is a weird dichotomy...

Well, there are gradations. Destroying a telecommunications hub via rapid unscheduled disassembly of a city street sends a different message than painting an Olympics party red. The goal of the Nashville bombing was likely not to instill terror on individuals fearing for their safety.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by willis936 »

jonny_eh wrote: post #482
pjc50 wrote: post #354

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Warnings tend to come with political bombings. But in this case we have a bombing with no manifesto - yet. A lot of effort for unclear purpose.

Hard not to jump to the conclusion that it was some Q-Anon inspired attack on "5G".

I don’t think Qanon conspiracy theorists are capable of tying their own shoelaces, let alone knowing how to pick a good telecoms target, choosing an appropriate explosive and quantity, assembling a bomb, planning timing and logistics of the actual bombing, and completing it without getting caught by the FBI or stopped by local authorities with minimal collateral. Nothing about this says “dumbfuck theorist”. I’m just an armchair detective though. I’ll wait for the Netflix special (complete with composite characters and fake events).

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Post by bawolff »

lovetocode wrote: post #389
bawolff wrote: post #346

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Imagine having to drink coffee. Its pretty terrifying, especially for a Brit. More seriously - the people who own that property were civilians and probably scared. In usa terrorism is defined currently as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents". (Title 22 Chapter 38 U.S. Code § 2656f) The boston tea party was premeditated, pol…

Non-combatant targets isn’t physical goods.

Based on what? IANAL, but just reading that, it sounds like non-combatant would mean someone non military, and violence against their "stuff" would be considered violence against that person.

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by Sylamore »

gfd213 wrote: post #350

They Bombed a major network switching and server hub for att AT&T snags FBI business from Verizon with $92M FirstNet contract just days ago FirstNet system is a unified communication platform to connect all levels of government and collect information during times of crisis. Was created in 2012 after the Boston bombing. Government agencies all are going to be linked through this system top to bottom. This is basicall…

The wireless side of this is band 14, which is shared with regular consumers but FN customers get priority and the band can be restricted to FN only customers.

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Post by pksebben »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #469
notsureaboutpg wrote: post #397

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What about when countries bomb each other's infrastructure during war? That both causes terror in the populace and achieves a strategic objective... If causing terror were a hallmark of a terrorist attack, wouldn't every attack be a terror attack (even, for example, mass school shootings or shootings like the Las Vegas shooting, etc.)

Causing terror is the hallmark of terrorist attacks, it is what distinguishes it from normal guerrilla warfare. Certainly there can be a mixture of both tactical and terrorist motives in an attack... 9/11 was seemingly meant to both instill fear and to hobble the U.S. financial system. But what made it a terrorist attack, as opposed to an act of revolutionary war, is that it was intended to be very public and to frig…

If you went by what the American media tends to call "terrorist", it's attacks by brown people from countries whose resources are of strategic value, or attacks by anyone with an anticapitalist agenda. (9/11, unabomber).

Terminology these days is less about meaning and more about political pressure. I'm sure this qualifies under group 2.

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Post by pksebben »

coolgod wrote: post #474
pjc50 wrote: post #462

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Having lived in a country with very real political bombings, I have little time for false flag discourse without evidence.

https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx/status/1342919849509597185... Explain this video without resorting to false flag please.

where's the original source?

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by coolgod »

pksebben wrote: post #488
coolgod wrote: post #474

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https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx/status/1342919849509597185... Explain this video without resorting to false flag please.

where's the original source?

I only found this https://twitter.com/iamforrest_/status/1342580703440084994

Re: ATT services down due to bombing in Nashville

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Post by octoberfranklin »

dang wrote: post #468
octoberfranklin wrote: post #331

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You're racist.

You've been posting a ton of flamebait and unsubstantive comments to HN. If you keep doing that we will have to ban you, so please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Dan, your "flamebait" characterization is grossly unreasonable.

Nobody's flaming me, so if it were flamebait I'd deserve some kind of award for most astonishingly-ineffective flamebait in history.

You ought to call it what it is: dissident speech. Dissonant, too.

Does dissident speech get people banned from HN?

PS, I admit that the (one) ascii-art text banner was silly and inappropriate.

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