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Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #454

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The article you cited is an interesting just-so explanation but it's mostly narrative, not really correct. It's based on this book https://www.harpercollins.ca/9780062358363/the-end-of-averag... which espouses some rather non-quantitative concepts (it seems like the author had a hobbyhorse and they rode it as far as they could). I don't know that it's "pretty famous", as I find only a few references to it (the book I…

> I don't know that it's "pretty famous" I'm sorry you haven't heard of it but it's fairly well known. Here's it on QI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch9UuMFwzCE

It’s shown up on HN before at minimum.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Blues exist along a range of brightness values and blues work great in dark terminals and editors all day every day for many many people. I'm typing into a browser window surrounded by probably about 4 or 5 terminal and editor windows peeking out of the background with somewhere between 5 and 10 different shades of blue on dark grey backgrounds and they look clear, bright, and amazing. The dark background makes the b…

Blue is objectively the hardest color to see. Amber would be so much better in this scenario.

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Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #413

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No. They were pointing out it's possible that you prefer dark mode, even though it may not have the benefits you believe it does. Your preference may be more about aesthetic taste than a physiological response - and that's okay.

That's actually a pretty fair point. What I like may not be measurably easier for me.

I'm gonna lean in to your side. I've noticed ever since switching to a dark theme in my code editor that at the end of the day my eyes feel less tired. BUT (and big one) on the glossy screen of my phone, dark mode feels more straining to the eyes... How can this be so?

My notebook has a matte screen and barely reflects ambient light(s) back at me. I say barely to avoid saying "none" because surely someone will nitpick that it is reflecting a small amount of light etc.

The phone has a glossy screen, and it reflects every single thing it can back my eyes. Dark mode makes it even more "mirror like". And while I prefer the colours (specially if you're using the phone at night, with no ambient lights to bother), I acknowledge that it is more straining during most of the day. Even at night when it autoswitches to dark mode, I'll have some ambient illumination unless I'm at the cinema (not for a couple of months since lockdown) or basically trying to sleep (and I know I shouldn't be checking the phone if I'm trying to sleep).

Another data point: reading PDFs of books and conference papers on my computer (black on white) is tiresome, whereas reading the same on a kindle feels amazing. But then again, the kindles have won this battle a long time ago and nobody should be trying to read books or other media made for plant-based-paper on a screen anyway (and here I give e-ink a bit of leeway and consider it more plant-paper-like than a screen).

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #477

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That's a little harsh. Entertaining new information is not really 'bullying', not when I recognized the truth in what she said. Sure I was enjoying myself. This is kind of the point of this thread. Your enjoyment is not a real measure of what's good or bad.

Not saying you didn't change your assessment after new sensory input (which is fine), but did you truly, honestly, change how much you were enjoying the /exact same physical sensations/ based on how much your partner thought you should be enjoying them?

I changed because I attended to what I was eating, and it wasn't very good.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #373

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Some functions have replacements, others don't. Just one example: both F5 and CTRL-R in browsers do a refresh; CTRL-F5 does a hard refresh (also renews the cache); I don't think there's a non-function-key alternative for that. Losing the function keys would be a major nuisance. The numeric keypad is useful to me too. A bit less than the function keys, perhaps, but when entering a list of numbers it works so much bett…

In the meaning of outdated artifacts, like those turbo buttons on old PC boxes or three button mice. Fn + arrow keys or fn+bksp for del easily replace the specific navigation keys and are for me easier to find by touch with less movement of the wrist.

I had the impression you meant something like that, but I wasn't sure (I'm not a native English speaker) so I looked it up and the dictionary gave me a different meaning, so that got me confused.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #393

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> Wait. So. "Multiple studies show that light mode is better" trumps my actual experience, with my eyeballs, in my office environment? Of course. All you are measuring is how comfortable you feel , which is irrelevant. What they are measuring is how well people actually perform on tasks while using dark mode. Just because dark mode feels better to you doesn't imply anything about the latter question.

I feel more productive when using dark mode. Better?

Some people feel more productive when they get their auras adjusted or take homeopathic medicine.

The placebo effect is fairly strong. And how productive someone feels vs how productive they actually are when it's measured often varies, of course.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #408

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Seeing as we're talking about something that relates to eyestrain, I don't think we can discount how the GP feels. If you don't feel well you likely aren't going to perform well. If your eyes hurt, you are going to want to stop working. If I had to stare at a bright white screen all day, I wouldn't get the task done because it hurts my eyes. Common sense. Yet another study where it's trying to trump opinion with a st…

Even if dark mode "feels" better that still doesn't imply it actually causes less eye strain. Without data it's possible OP's choice could be driven just by aesthetic preferences and they don't realize it.

As much as, probably more than, aesthetic preferences, I would posit that there are many environmental differences which are difficult to completely control for. Screen type and configuration, ambient light level, light source positioning, how often the user look away from the screen (completely away from work, or just onto other media to read from a page for instance), etc.

Having said that I think my preferences are mainly, if not entirely, aesthetic. Dark-on-light terminals feel weird as do light-on-dark documents/spreadsheets - that can't be anything other than just what I'm used to.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #472

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I did. Not impressed.

If 60% people perform better with light theme and 40% dark theme, average is going to be that light theme is superior. This doesn't make dark mode a bad idea.

All you're saying is that means aren't informative if distributions are bimodal. Which is both totally true and completely missing the point.
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