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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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And LATAM probably soon to follow, specially Argentina with Milei and now Chile with their new right wing president

Milei is a libertarian, and would be very opposed to such a thing.

Words don't mean anything any more. Libertarianism used to be a fringe of anarchism, yet it has devolved into a chimera of its own, especially when looking at American-style libertarianism that is very much pro-State.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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What if two people's consciences disagree?

Do it regardless. If you're right other people will realize that. If not, they won't.

The learned helplessness of modern citizens of so called democracies is something to behold. No wonder we have people like Trump in power.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Well the first naturally led to the other. So you can distinguish them, but they are not separate.

In order to get from the first to the second, you need the artificial scarcity laws, and we ought not to keep those.

I disagree. You simply increase the supply of labour by double digit percentage points. Thinking this will not affect the price, all else being equal, is magical thinking.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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I am not a lawyer. Still, my two cents are: You didn't geobock the download or prompt for then user's address first in your scenario. So it may constitute export because it would be reasonable to assume that you clearly intended to make it available worldwide. Phil Zimmerman was investigated for illegaly exporting munitions because he made PGP available via FTP. The case was settled, so I don't know whether this argu…

Maybe some investigation worked this way, but to me it seems obvious twisting of supposed intention. If I don't geoblock, it is not necessarily because I want the thing to arrive somewhere. It can simply be, that I don't care who downloads it, or I don't want to waste my time with crazy laws, that I might not even know about. If Kiribati decides to have a new law, I probably won't even ever hear about it. Suddenly, m…

New IPv6 allocations happen all the time so this is also problematic on a technical level.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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I'm talking about both parents and schools: the technical solution exists. If parents/schools don't want to implement it, that's on them. This answers your objection A and B. C is also a non-probem with a trivial fix, as I showed. What we're discussing is whether age verification is needed. Based on the existence of other, perfectly fine solutions, it's not. "But schools don't bother implementing those other solution…

> If parents/schools don't want to implement it, that's on them Well that's not much of a solution is it now? More like an attempt that we all can see will fail. Harm reduction is not the same as a solution.

I'm not sure why I need to debate against obvious illogical positions, but here we go:

> Well that's not much of a solution is it now? More like an attempt that we all can see will fail.

Some entities not wanting to implement a perfectly fine technical solution is not the same as "that's not a solution". If schools not bothering is your issue, just like the state can mandate a "age verification", it can also mandate schools add such parental control locks to the devices they give to kids.

>Harm reduction is not the same as a solution.

It absolutely is, and that's what any solution will be anyway.

There's no perfect solution short of throwing kids in some kind of restricted area without access to any devices. And even in prison prisoners get ahold of startphones.

Age verification can be beaten even more easily, getting access from some older kid for example, borrowing or buying verified accounts, getting an older/hacked OS that doesn't check, and countless other holes.

The difference is that the parent controls case directly affects the device the kids have, let's the parents set the policy based on their beliefs and the child's mental maturity (not authoritarian one-size-fits-all approach), and doesn't add OS mandated id and age tracking to everybody regardless if they're kids or not.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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They are not legislating specific APIs. They are legislating that an API has to be provided, just like other laws legislate that you have to provide accessibility APIs, but the details of the APIs are left up to the companies. I work in aviation, a highly regulated field. And that's a good thing. It does take some work to regulate well; there has been a migration in aviation to more prescriptive regulation about how…

Years later: "The current measures are a step in the right direction, but we have found them insufficient. We are now requiring the use of this specific proprietary binary blob for any action related to the verification process. It will conveniently run as a daemon so its exposed API will be accessible to any application that needs to query it, and it will automatically update itself so you don't have to worry about…

Shit like this is why I run Gentoo on the desktop, OpenBSD on the server.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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That dude gives off such slimy vibes. Not like he’s evil. More like he’s unqualified to be in the position he’s found himself in. His presentations on talk shows gives me the impression he knows just enough about the topic of digital effects on society to throw together a book. The he lets people raise him up to the microphone and speaks for the sake of speaking. Hardly an expert, not an operator. Compare to people w…

If you were familiar with his background you wouldn't be writing this comment, which makes what you wrote a bit awkwardly ironic. Short of it: 30-ish year career as a psychology professor and researcher focused on morality and emotions. If you follow the track of his popular science books, The Anxious Generation (on smartphone use in teens) is very much a sequel to The Coddling of the American Mind, which itself is s…

yes and his work is fairly sympathetic to the reactionary centrist and right agendas -

not to mention that the anxious generation is supported by a thin veneer of the most wildly cherry-picked data they could get, and they ignored just about any alternative explanation aside from their predetermined conclusion.

I'm fairly cynical about touch screen devices and kids, and won't be letting mine near any until they're old enough (whenever that is) but haidt's own charts don't support his conclusions in that book.

The actual reason teen mental health diagnoses started increasing so much?? An obamacare-related screening and reporting requirement change for pediatrics.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Australia as well.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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You grew up without parental oversight. I did too. This is an attempt to give parents the tools to manage what their children see on the internet. I disagree with that parental oversight probably far, far more than you do. I think it should be a crime when a parent indoctrinates their child into a religion. But this is a counter to far worse laws like requiring you to upload your photo ID to websites to get access. T…

> This is an attempt to give parents the tools to manage what their children see on the internet. You're just gullible. There is no website that I've ever uploaded my driving license or other ID to, the only place that I need that for is my bank and that's about a real world relationship, not about an online one. Any website that wants me to verify my age is going to have to do without me, that's just none of their b…

Right. Never come up with a technical solution to a social problem.
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