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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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In his time around the end of the 19th century, Leo XIII was known as the “Social Pope” and “Pope of the Workers”. He wasn’t a radical but opened the door to modern thinking in the church. Presumably there’s some symbolism to why the new pope wanted to adopt this particular name.

Popes usually go for symbolic names, so the Leo XIII connection seems unavoidable.

I think unavoidable is the wrong word, he surely picked the name because of this connection.

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As a Catholic from the Chicago area I'm shocked and surprised he was elected. My group chats and social media is just blowing up with regional pride. God bless Pope Leo XIV!

Now the real question: Is he a Cubs or Sox fan?

Cubs

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Notably, in that case he might end up no longer being able to enter the US at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Amendment_(immigration)

He's a sitting head of state now. Even if he violated US law, he's diplomatically immune. One case of it being brought up in the past: https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/87327.pdf

It's not clear that he is diplomatically immune from US law if he retains his US citizenship. The source you linked was not a case of a US citizen pope.

If the pope renounces his US citizenship for the purpose of having diplomatic immunity or treats his acceptance of the papacy as an expatriating act with intent to relinquish citizenship within the meaning of INA §349(a)(4), he would not be inadmissible under the Reed Amendment: that amendment only applies when the reason for renouncing is to avoid taxation, and might not apply to relinquishment under §349(a)(4) regardless of reason since it uses the verb renounce rather than relinquish.

Why might the verb matter? The only parts of INA §349 that use the verb renounce are the ones about explicitly swearing or affirming an oath or affirmation of renunciation, not the other potentially expatriating acts. Relinquishment is the broader term in the statute which encompasses all such acts.

And I say "might" only because this amendment has been so rarely enforced that the courts haven't had occasion to rule on it. Only two people have ever been denied admission to the US under the Reed Amendment. It was a very badly drafted legal provision.

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"Whereas Francis said, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about gay clerics, Cardinal Prevost has expressed less welcoming views to L.G.B.T.Q. people. In a 2012 address to bishops, he lamented that Western news media and popular culture fostered “sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the gospel.” He cited the “homosexual lifestyle” and “alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their ado…

> In a 2012 address to bishops Even Obama opposed gay marriage in 2010. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-still-opposes-same-sex-ma...

President Barack Obama didn't support same-sex marriage until May 9, 2012, three days after Vice President Joe Biden announced his support for it.

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-comes-ou...

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/us/politics/biden-express...

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Symbolism is a huge part of what name you select which is why its been a minute since a Pope Innocent or Pope Pious.

Pius XII is controversial because of WW2, but I don't see anything particularly bad with the latest popes with Innocent. Is it something related to his predecessors? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Innocent_XIII

Yeah I was mainly referring to II and III :)

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> "Whereas Francis said, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about gay clerics, He also called abortion doctors assassins and described genderideology as "the ugliest danger of our time" (or the 'greatest danger' according to some other sources). He wasn't really all that progressive. Sources: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-03/pope-francis... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/pope-francis-c... O…

Idk killing 73 million people actually doesn't make you a hero in my book. 73 million souls, approximately a year.

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I strongly believe the American choice was a strategic decision made by a group of highly intelligent individuals.

My national news agency (the NOS) reported that this happened despite his nationality, not because of. According to their article, the dislike of most of the world against American happenings made him a less likely candidate.

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Because he is the head of a foreign nation, and will hold that office till death. You cannot be head of multiple nations at once.

Napoleon - Emperor of France and King of Italy King George VI/Queen Elizabeth II/Charles III - Monarch over several British Commonwealth realms. Wilhelm II - Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia To name a few who disagree.

The grand title [1] of Karl Franz Josef Ludwig Hubert Georg Otto Maria [2], the last Emperor of Austria is over 120 words:

His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty, By the Grace of God Emperor of Austria, King of Hungary and Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Galicia, Lodomeria and Illyria; King of Jerusalem, etc.; Archduke of Austria; Grand Duke of Tuscany and Cracow; Duke of Lorraine, Salzburg, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola and Bukovina; Grand Prince of Transylvania, Margrave of Moravia; Duke of Upper and Lower Silesia, of Modena, Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla, of Auschwitz and Zator, of Teschen, Friaul, Ragusa and Zara; Princely Count of Habsburg and Tyrol, of Kyburg, Gorizia and Gradisca; Prince of Trento and Brixen; Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia and in Istria; Count of Hohenems, Feldkirch, Bregenz, Sonnenberg etc.; Lord of Trieste, of Cattaro and on the Windic March; Grand Voivode of the Voivodeship of Serbia

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_title_of_the_emperor_of_... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Austria#Titles,_s...

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Prior to Francis, the last pope we had from a religious order (as opposed to a career diocesan) was Gregory XVI in 1831. Now we've had two religious popes in a row --- Francis, a Jesuit, and then Leo, an Augustinian.

Can you explain this like I'm 5?

To the other useful answers I just want to add that if you think about monks, nuns and friars, that covers a large portion of what a Catholic religious order looks like.

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It's only a matter of time before that same person gets called out by the new pope and responds by calling him a loser. If we're lucky, that will be the catalyst that finally erodes any remaining support he has.

Don't hold your breath. My whole family are staunch Catholics and disliked Francis because of his more "liberal" leanings. Some Catholics believed he was the "anti-christ" and loved Trump. Seriously.

Is there like a hotline to report comments like theirs? Seems like the Catholic church would want to crack down on the bullshit.
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