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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by Eavolution »

nickthegreek wrote: post #22

"Whereas Francis said, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about gay clerics, Cardinal Prevost has expressed less welcoming views to L.G.B.T.Q. people. In a 2012 address to bishops, he lamented that Western news media and popular culture fostered “sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the gospel.” He cited the “homosexual lifestyle” and “alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their ado…

I know nothing about him recently or have any interest in Catholicism really, but 2012 is a long old time ago. 13 years is more than enough time for someone to have changed their opinion on something like this, so I'm not sure how valuable it is to look at statements that long ago.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dingnuts wrote: post #311
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> some of more conscientious people in the US are feeling a little awkward about the name these days. So it isn’t surprising that we’d be the ones objecting If the folks who got us into this mess with label obsession move on to something less charged like USian, that’s probably for the net good.

if the language police want to tell Americans what they're allowed to call themselves and expect any actual adoption they had better come up with a better word than "USian". How do you even pronounce that? Oosh-an? But also sure, telling Americans to rename things, that hasn't caused ANY backlash now resulting in the renaming of huge bodies of water to stupid things, keep up the cultural dictates, it's totally workin…

The whole enterprise of constantly renaming things is stuoid. But there are groups on the idiot left (LatinX, USian, xey/xem) and right (freedom fries, Gulf of America) who enjoy it. Between gender and race-based language policing and a nationality-based one, I think the latter is a safer place to constrain them.

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Post by bitmasher9 »

velcro wrote: post #299
CharlesW wrote: post #228

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How so? The U.S. is the third-largest national Catholic population in the world, and it's by far the single largest national contributor to the Church’s global finances. Plus, anything that can bend the arc of U.S. history toward the Catholic missions of social justice and human rights is going to matter more in the next four years than it ever has.

You're probably talking about Peter's Pence collection contribution which is just pocket change (a few millions). Dioclesian revenue, lease income, Vatican's wealth fund generate billions. Lets not forget state support which the US doesn't have - for example if you register as a catholic in Germany 8-9% of your income tax goes to the church directly - to the tune of about 6 billion per year altogether.

How much real estate does the Catholic Church own in the US, and how much appreciation has that seen since 2020?

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Post by CharlesW »

pluc wrote: post #259
CharlesW wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? The U.S. is the third-largest national Catholic population in the world, and it's by far the single largest national contributor to the Church’s global finances. Plus, anything that can bend the arc of U.S. history toward the Catholic missions of social justice and human rights is going to matter more in the next four years than it ever has.

It kinda has a shitty reputation right now, especially in Europe. This will embolden the clown in Chief and that isn't good for anyone.

It's possible. My take is that a Pope who's relatably "like them" will be more effective at reminding U.S. Catholics that they may need to choose between their faith and Trumpist idolatry.

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Post by aipatselarom »

bitzun wrote: post #277
moralestapia wrote: post #164

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When you're embraced by its grace, all of the aesthetic takes on a very bright and uplifting inspirational tone and becomes symbolic of a lifetime of guidance and empowerment. Source: raised by an extremely loving Catholic mother.

My enjoyment of things is somewhat diminished by knowing that the thing engages in a vast conspiracy to commit and conceal abuse worldwide.

My faith in Christ is way stronger than the influence of a small group of crooked and virtueless human beings.

Even if 9 out of 10 of cardinals, priests and worshippers were crooked, my faith in Christ wouldn't move one inch (2.54cm); it might actually become even greater.

I think there is a profound difference on how two different kinds of people approach religion.

On one side, I've never given much care to what the "social opinion" of something is in order to engage with it or not. My choice to follow Christ is rooted on myself, not on what I'm told to be right or wrong.

On the other, I can understand people who choose to associate/dissociate from specific groups/trends based on what they hear on the news/radio/etc... and I think that's completely valid as well. There was a even time in our past where having this trait was a desirable thing!

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Post by doomroot13 »

jm4 wrote: post #229
chirau wrote: post #29

I am sure a certain somebody is going to claim credit for bringing the papacy home to America to make it great.

It's only a matter of time before that same person gets called out by the new pope and responds by calling him a loser. If we're lucky, that will be the catalyst that finally erodes any remaining support he has.

Don't hold your breath. My whole family are staunch Catholics and disliked Francis because of his more "liberal" leanings. Some Catholics believed he was the "anti-christ" and loved Trump. Seriously.

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Post by TZubiri »

throwanem wrote: post #72
TZubiri wrote: post #59

Congrats to the Americans on winning the World Christian Championship!

Only in the Latin Orthodox division.

Of course, but the Protestant division had trouble organizing a World Championship and instead they have hundreds of Regionals.

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Post by Boogie_Man »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #287
Boogie_Man wrote: post #75

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There are several important American bishops who have made serious strides to protect children. This is an ignorant statement.

It's not, really; the Catholic Church (among most other religious orders) routinely prioritises self-preservation over the safety of children. If we were to use "was in proximity to allegations of child abuse and didn't act on it" as a barometer for who was permitted to ascent to the papacy, we'd have a pretty small pool to choose from.

Your statement which I responded to was "find a catholic priest who doesn’t share that responsibility". If you pick a random one, odds are they don't.
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