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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by lucianbr »

anon291 wrote: post #192
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #171

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So he "literally" said he won't do anything about it until children can muster the courage and resources to prove in court they were abused. This is "why didn't she go to the police" for children. The police are not to be trusted, certainly not to against the Catholic Church.

Then who should investigate? The church cannot do anything to anyone they investigate other than 'order' them to remain in a monastery (which, they can leave at anytime since this is a free country and church rules are not law).

I believe the church can also do these two things: if a person is a priest, remove their priesthood, and if civilian, excomunicate them.

Not to mention saying things like "we disapprove of this behavior".

Overall, I think your claim that the church cannot do anything except the one thing you named is obviously false. There are in fact many things the church can do. Otherwise nobody would give a damn who is Pope. Just a guy who can not do anything.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by timeon »

EasyMark wrote: post #214
moralestapia wrote: post #189

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Sure but most of the world, when they say America or American, they mean the USA, otherwise they'll say "the Americas" or "North American" or "South American" or refer to a specific country. It's just a reality that a lot of people don't want to face, but you have to be pragmatic in life for the most part.

> Sure but most of the world

Not really. (Also we call English Channel 'La Manche' - even if we do not understand French).

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by moogly »

9dev wrote: post #254
mjirv wrote: post #208

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sure, why not?

Because he is the head of a foreign nation, and will hold that office till death. You cannot be head of multiple nations at once.

> and will hold that office till death

Ratzinger resigned.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by codethief »

devrandoom wrote: post #207
seydor wrote: post #198

Will he be taxed on his foreign Papal salary? Or will he forego the salary , like Francis did?

If he is taxed, he should renounce US citizenship as he's very unlike to move back to the US.

Notably, in that case he might end up no longer being able to enter the US at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Amendment_(immigration)

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by lostlogin »

anon291 wrote: post #190
lostlogin wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

‘I was only following orders.’

A lot of the church abuse scandal happened during a couple of decades when the church's handling of the cases were the result of following the then scientific consensus on the matter. The church was not alone in this. The scientists told us they could be reformed. Just look up the history of what was going on in Germany following the same advice. It's a relatively new thing where we just declare pedophiles unfixable…

The church following scientific consensus? That would be amazing.

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Post by hirvi74 »

saguntum wrote: post #73
nickthegreek wrote: post #22

"Whereas Francis said, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about gay clerics, Cardinal Prevost has expressed less welcoming views to L.G.B.T.Q. people. In a 2012 address to bishops, he lamented that Western news media and popular culture fostered “sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the gospel.” He cited the “homosexual lifestyle” and “alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their ado…

It's particularly nasty to me that he called out same-sex partners with adopted children. Why focus on families even if you are yourself homophobic?

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by lormayna »

mFixman wrote: post #282
_dark_matter_ wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very unlikely is an understatement. Francis never even visited his home country of Argentina after being elected as Pope.

Francis was seen as being too close to the Kirchnerists in ideology and too conflicted with the Kirchnerists in actions when he was Archbishop. Visiting Argentina would have forced him to take a side and trigger a political crisis he probably wanted to avoid. As far as I know there's no similar conflict with the new Pope, and he wasn't even in America for the most important part of his church career.

Really? I always heard that Francis was the first enemy of Kirtcherners

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by velcro »

CharlesW wrote: post #228
pluc wrote: post #162

How appropriately disconnected from the church to elect an American.

How so? The U.S. is the third-largest national Catholic population in the world, and it's by far the single largest national contributor to the Church’s global finances. Plus, anything that can bend the arc of U.S. history toward the Catholic missions of social justice and human rights is going to matter more in the next four years than it ever has.

You're probably talking about Peter's Pence collection contribution which is just pocket change (a few millions). Dioclesian revenue, lease income, Vatican's wealth fund generate billions. Lets not forget state support which the US doesn't have - for example if you register as a catholic in Germany 8-9% of your income tax goes to the church directly - to the tune of about 6 billion per year altogether.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by HaZeust »

nessbot wrote: post #286
StefanBatory wrote: post #251

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No fan of the RC church here but I didn't hear any mocking. Just pointing out a counterfactual experience.

No one would have this loaded tone when counteracting someone's trauma in ANY subject - besides that of religion. It is a subject with a uniquely deep entrenchment of someone's fundamental life experiences and beliefs, and is the only subject where someone would have the gall to do such a thing; out of defense of, what they believe, is their very essence as a person.

There is absolutely no shot that someone would respond to someone sexually abused by their parents with, "On the other hand, I have a loving spouse that makes that same action a very loving and peaceful experience!" It's brazenly distasteful.

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