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Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Post by FpUser »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #447
FpUser wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The talk was: >"The CIA probably realizes it doesn't need to fund rebel groups [1] or use local journalists/clergy [2] to instigate a regime change these days" To me it sounds like instigating regime changes all over the places. The US is famous for doing so and then leaving behind multiple victims.

And another powers are not? Especially in recent age. russians are conquering neighbouring countries and simultaneously threating with nuclear attack. They play same game quite differently.

>"russians are conquering neighbouring countries and simultaneously threating with nuclear attack"

So you want the US to do the same? It had already "conquered" some countries. I do not think anybody likes the outcome. It looks more like a crime.

>"And another powers are not?"

I thought whataboutism is strictly Russian domain and is frowned upon (I personally have different opinion).

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Post by GoodJokes »

d--b wrote: post #198

Ok so a few weeks ago, virtually every OpenAi employee signed a letter saying “reinstate Altman or I quit”. Is any OpenAi employee wanting to sign a “don’t use OpenAi for war or I quit”? Or was everyone in on betraying all OpenAi’s founding principles from the start?

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Post by 23B1 »

jacquesm wrote: post #298
esafak wrote: post #217

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At least Ilya's crew was working on alignment ( https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment ). If only the rank-and-file had been more vocally supportive of that, instead of enthusiastically boarding the Altman train. Look where that train is headed...

Alignment with whose values? Altmans? Ilya's? Humanity's? The USA? Some unspecified ideal? I have a really hard time passing the responsibility for such massive impact decisions to a bunch of talented technicians who have already demonstrated a poor command of ethics. The more likely outcome is that it will end up being 'alignment with whoever has the money', and that's a recipe for some bad stuff in our future.

The people with the most money are the citizens of the United States, to be clear.

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Post by tptacek »

vlovich123 wrote: post #275
FactKnower69 wrote: post #259

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Why are they attacking the boats, and what are their conditions for stopping?

Is this serious? Like literally one of the things the US navy does is provide protection to ships flying the US flag. That’s literally one of the main things the navy does in peacetime. Remember the Somali pirates? These are ships traveling through international waters being attacked - what other response would make sense? As for their aims, you can believe it’s about Palestine but that seems more pretextual. Histori…

It's a little odd to talk about "historical" Houthi trends since the founder of the movement was young enough to have almost certainly seen Die Hard. The Houthi movement was created to replicate the Iranian Revolution on the Arabian Peninsula, and borrows its slogal from Iran, including "Death to Israel, a Curse On The Jews". One of the very first things the Houthis did after taking over their stronghold of Sada'ah was to eject the remaining Yemeni Jewish residents. Houthi antipathy towards Israel isn't an elaborate geopolitical issue; they are foundationally an anti-semitic movement.

Moving a step away from facts towards analysis: the Houthis are widely considered to be an arm of the IRGC (the IRGC counts them in their "axis of resistance"). The Houthi/Saudi war seems to have been instigated in large part by Iran, whose long term conflict with Saudi Arabia is probably the most salient in MENA.

It probably doesn't make much sense to talk about what set of concessions would get the Houthis to stop; they've attacked ships indiscriminately, and have been doing so long before October 7.

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Post by yonaguska »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #174
ericmay wrote: post #117

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I personally welcome cooperation with the Pentagon for OpenAI and other American companies. The disdain that seems to infest so many when it comes to working with our national defense organizations is both annoying and bewilderingly naive and that's even when we take into consideration all of the bad things that happen. Strengthening partnerships with our government certainly doesn't make me mistrust OpenAI.

The US has a fascist running for president right now(who was previously elected!). There is every reason to be worried about new tech adoption by the US military.

Current administration has designated anyone that flew in and out of DC around Jan 6 as a potential terrorist, subject to extensive checks every single time they board a plane. with some some people being followed by federal air Marshalls from their home and to the airport.

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Post by happytiger »

ptmcc wrote: post #207
d--b wrote: post #198

Ok so a few weeks ago, virtually every OpenAi employee signed a letter saying “reinstate Altman or I quit”. Is any OpenAi employee wanting to sign a “don’t use OpenAi for war or I quit”? Or was everyone in on betraying all OpenAi’s founding principles from the start?

Reinstating Altman was all about the money, and so is this.

Close. I think reinstating Altman was all about this and also maybe the money.

What better explanation do we have for the violent reaction of the board? I read the cover story and analysis too, but there are no coincidences in National Security.

Occam’s Razor points to this being the real reason.

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Post by vlovich123 »

tptacek wrote: post #475
vlovich123 wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this serious? Like literally one of the things the US navy does is provide protection to ships flying the US flag. That’s literally one of the main things the navy does in peacetime. Remember the Somali pirates? These are ships traveling through international waters being attacked - what other response would make sense? As for their aims, you can believe it’s about Palestine but that seems more pretextual. Histori…

It's a little odd to talk about "historical" Houthi trends since the founder of the movement was young enough to have almost certainly seen Die Hard. The Houthi movement was created to replicate the Iranian Revolution on the Arabian Peninsula, and borrows its slogal from Iran, including "Death to Israel, a Curse On The Jews". One of the very first things the Houthis did after taking over their stronghold of Sada'ah w…

Yeah for sure. Concessions also don’t work when they’re perceived as a weakness which tends to culturally be true in the Middle East.

The only thing I’ll note is that groups can have multiple goals. While destruction of Jews/Israel may be a rallying call and was a founding principle, Houthis can want other things and do have other enemies (Saudia Arabia is disliked by Houthis independently of Iran’s conflict with them).

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Post by MeImCounting »

imtringued wrote: post #383
kridsdale1 wrote: post #358

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Opposition to measurable improvement in the accidental fatality metric because we can’t step-function to zero in one go, is what’s holding back autonomous driving as well.

Elon doesn't even use his self driving in a one way tunnel that he built. You can hardly blame that on this.

Tesla is miles behind in the autonomous vehicle bracket though so I woulnt take anything Elon does or would do as any kind of evidence of technological capability. The only enterprise of Elons that is succeeding is SpaceX notwithstanding Elons continual failed promises. They still make good rockets.
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