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OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Or they received a classified briefing showing how far ahead China or other adversaries are in terms of AI for military use and felt obligated to not let the US fall further behind.

WMDs anyone?

Weapons of Math Destruction?

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Principles are great, but a full wallet...now that really motivates a man. See: this and the return of altman

OpenAi employees are very employable. Several of them were probably lured by Altman’s want-to-better-humanity stance. Only to find out now that the man is deluding himself and betraying everything OpenAi said it wouldn’t do.

I don’t think he was ever deluding himself. This was always the end goal. The fact that people fell for the lies, well, everyone in Silicon Valley eventually learns not to trust anybody whose title is CEO. The lesson is usually painful. But memorable.

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>"It sounds like how American conservatives discuss cities they've never been to."

I live in Toronto since 92 and I can compare back then and now so don't assume things.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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I sure hope so, Russia has 100% been doing it, with multiple documented „botfarms” (more like fake identity verification farms)

Yes Russia did have some accounts and bought ads on US social media some years ago, but analysis showed it had marginal effect. They are outsiders on US run social media platforms. The real power is in the hands of those running the social media platforms that can suppress or send viral what they want with a few adjustments. That certainly happened and continues still now aided by AI.

> some years ago

sweet summer child... Russia is fighting an expansionary offensive war and is full throttle instigating division in the entire Western mediascape.

Here's a small taste from a few months ago: https://www.npr.org/2023/08/29/1196117574/meta-says-chinese-...

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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The US has a fascist running for president right now(who was previously elected!). There is every reason to be worried about new tech adoption by the US military.

Then you will be pleased to learn that the US military takes an oath to the Constitution, not to whoever happens to be the current President. Exactly because the dangers of assholes assuming the Presidency isn't some kind of genius insight that you're the first person to ever consider.

Oaths and old documents mean almost nothing compared against human tribal instincts.

Asshole isn't some objective designation. A huge portion of military members support the current strong man vying for power. Always have, always will.

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I could make literally the opposite argument. Other countries antagonize the US because of its military interventionism. If the US had lower military spending, other countries wouldn't feel the need to be aggressive. It's childish to be pro military. It shows you think arbitrary lines on a map determine who's good or bad.

> Other countries antagonize the US because of its military interventionism. If the US had lower military spending, other countries wouldn't feel the need to be aggressive. You've conflated two different things here: 1. Military interventionism. Presumably the unjustified sort, like invading Iraq (and not the first time, when the US was pushing Iraq out of Kuwait). 2. Military spending. These are totally different th…

If all you have is a hammer then everything looks like a nail.

If you spend billions on your military, you're gonna be looking for ways to solve problems with it.

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The future of warfare is AI powered drones, zero doubt in my mind. Imagine the micro from Starcraft Go on a real life drone with a gun and bombs.

Let's just hope it doesn't turn into the Horizon- or Terminator-type of AI powered drones.

This is feeling somewhat inevitable.

There are a nonzero number of highly-intelligent individuals capable of developing weapons tech AND AI/ML who are also 100% Dead Certain nothing could go wrong because they're super clever and would never fuck up and create skynet.

... I don't think it'll be a skynet situation, though. Less global domination and more "Someone activated the autonomous systems and [lost control, had control subverted, entered the wrong command, deployed ansible wrong, uploaded CCID ssh key to github], and now we have lingering munitions and angry turrets everywhere". What we have brewing is what happens when you upgrade "Minefield" on the tech tree too far.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Russia also drops people out of the windows. Should we (the supposedly humane West) start doing the same just because they do?

They can do whatever they want to themselves. We are talking about attacking others. You can't ignore direct hit into face.

The talk was:

>"The CIA probably realizes it doesn't need to fund rebel groups [1] or use local journalists/clergy [2] to instigate a regime change these days"

To me it sounds like instigating regime changes all over the places. The US is famous for doing so and then leaving behind multiple victims.

Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Slightly off-topic, but it's absolutely shocking to me how quickly OpenAI has managed to do a meteoric PR nosedive. I think within 6 months they've gone from one of the most exciting (yet controversial) non-profits in the world to mistrusted company that it seems most people are rooting against.

I personally welcome cooperation with the Pentagon for OpenAI and other American companies. The disdain that seems to infest so many when it comes to working with our national defense organizations is both annoying and bewilderingly naive and that's even when we take into consideration all of the bad things that happen. Strengthening partnerships with our government certainly doesn't make me mistrust OpenAI.

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Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon

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Yeah, I'm sure Russia and China would be far less aggressive if the US had lower military spending. What you're suggesting is the geopolitical equivalent of "ignore the bully and they'll get bored and go away". And you call others childish?

No, we just have a different perspective. USA is the bully, not the rest of the world. Any country that grows powerful enough to get in the eye of the USA needs a strong military, because the USA has a military and a record of interventionism that can't be ignored.

> No, we just have a different perspective. USA is the bully, not the rest of the world.

There is no question that the US has acted like a bully in Southern America, but you ignore that other countries have acted the same way in other parts of the world[1], and with far more disastrous results[2].

If you want to dig into records, then the ground under my feet has seen a Russian invasion roughly every 50 years for as long as written records go, that is, every generation has had to resist a Russian attack and suffer the consequences. The war in Ukraine is like a replay of so many wars before, from its artificial justifications to the incredible violence against victims.

When kids study history in school, one of the sources they have to analyze and put into context is a letter from a Russian nobleman to the czar after another successful conquest. In the letter, he boasts that when he was travelling from one city to another on the way back to Russia, he didn't see a single living person left. They had successfully burned everything down and killed everyone.

Centuries have passed, but nothing has changed. Russians use the same tactic in Ukraine, massive artillery walls slowly crawling forward, reducing entire cities to total rubble as if they had been hit with a nuclear bomb[3].

Pax Americana is currently the only thing preventing me and hundreds of millions of other Europeans from sharing the same fate. Russians do not dare to invade as long as they don't know if Americans would press the nuclear button or not. My freedom to live in peace and unharmed, speak my language and practice my culture, directly depends on the missile silos tucked away somewhere between the cornfields of Iowa. How about that for a perspective?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide

[3] https://www.rferl.org/a/maryinka-aerial-shattered-landscape/...

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