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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Well, you are the one wrongly assuming. I am from Slovakia, and we have strong labour laws and strikes all the time. The thing is that government services must be provided to everyone or (if enough people are on strike) not at all.

I'm not sure when Slovakia entered the chat, but I was responding to the parent's question of how could the workers (in Sweden) be prohibited from deciding whether to strike, and was trying to make a point that US commenters go by US laws which do not apply here.

You were replying to a user who asked me a question and you were explaining my views to them…

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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I hope Elon gets the license plates delivered by courier, which really cannot be that expensive. Then the unions have to figure out their next steps. Get your popcorn

Wonder if the available couriers are all in the same union though? :)

Well there is only 1 courier available for legal reasons and none of the other couriers would deliver them either. :p

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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That's not how people like Musk think. People are just tools for them, workers strike means the tool is malfunctioning and should be replaced or "fixed".

People are just tools for unions too.

Irrelevant, the workers get more pay if they have an union. The unions are no more corrupt than the business itself.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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You are doing your level best to make it seem like something is malicious when it clearly isn't. That's on you, not on the OP.

Come on, that playbook is ancient by now. Deny facts and call people liars, then when irrefutable evidence is shown say "Oh, but it's a good thing!". I just stated the truth, and if you think it's fine or even great that this happens, then sure. But why deny that it happens then? Why is that still in the playbook? If people think it's great, then say so. We're in the information age, anybody can look up stuff easily.

I don't know why you keep digging, but it is getting a bit tedious. You've had multiple people correct you, you persist in your rabid anti-union posts and purposefully mis-interpret the available evidence. I'm not sure why you do this but I guess you're welcome to it.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Don't know why this was downvoted.. This is not Postnord's decision, it's the workers, and the same workers at UPS or any other postal delivery service could do the same.

In theory that would not absolve the government from providing core services. For example, teachers can go on strike but children are guaranteed a primary education. It'd be the government's responsibility, not the individual citizen or business, to ensure core services enshrined in law are properly staffed.

Agree, I don't know what Transportstyrelsen has to say about the interruption in their service this provides. My guess is that they do have the contract with PostNord and are just pretty hesitant to break that and rather wait and see if the problem goes away. The government wouldn't get involved just for a few weeks of postal problems for newly registered very expensive cars, it's not like a crucial service to the people.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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> it's not a sympathetic strike...They aren't striking against their employer. You're defining a sympathetic strike. I don't have a view on whether this is justified. What I'll contest is that it was unforeseeable. It was obvious a refusal to negotiate would infuriate--it's happened dozens of times, almost always with American companies, and it's close to an element of national and regional pride at this point. It wa…

Probably, yes they should. Clearly Elon Musk has never seen The Godfather!

Or can't decide which role he's playing. :-)

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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> I'm saying that it's not a strike if you're just refusing service to a customer. > is you downing tools and stopping working. These aren't exclusive, it's just they've downed tools and stopped working for the customer the strike is against. People don't join unions for their employer, they join unions for their industry. Therefore a union can strike against an employer while maintaining working for those not breaki…

Tesla isn't breaking a collective agreement.

This is true and I upvoted your comment.

Tesla, welcome to a free country where the state doesn't interfere. Truly a Rand-ian paradise. ;-)

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Come on, that playbook is ancient by now. Deny facts and call people liars, then when irrefutable evidence is shown say "Oh, but it's a good thing!". I just stated the truth, and if you think it's fine or even great that this happens, then sure. But why deny that it happens then? Why is that still in the playbook? If people think it's great, then say so. We're in the information age, anybody can look up stuff easily.

I don't know why you keep digging, but it is getting a bit tedious. You've had multiple people correct you, you persist in your rabid anti-union posts and purposefully mis-interpret the available evidence. I'm not sure why you do this but I guess you're welcome to it.

How about this: I apologize for confusing you with the other poster. And I ask you to apologize for calling me rabid.

Nobody has corrected me, it is a fact that some large employers in Sweden will sign you up to a union without your consent.

I should know, because it happened to me. Decades ago the company I was working for was sold to Sweden. One day I received a bill for a home insurance from a Swedish insurance company. I didn't own a home. Called the insurance company to ask what it was about. They apologized and said a Swedish union had signed me up with them. Called that union and they said yes now you're a member. Told them I didn't want to be a member. They told me I can't exit the union, my new employer had signed me up as a member, talk to them. I called HR and said that I'm not going to be a member of any union. They told me that it wasn't optional and I had to be a union member. I told them I'll get my lawyer if that's the case, and they relented and asked me to hand in a signed statement that I didn't wish to be a union member. And that was the end of it.

Then hackers here say that these things don't happen, even though the union clearly states on their webpage that this is standard procedure. And if it did happen, then it's a good thing. It is a bit funny, and dumb at the same time.

How would you feel if your company was sold to Utah. Then without you knowing, your new boss signs you up as a paying member of the Mormon church, and then the Mormon church signs you up for home insurance? It's kind of the same thing. The union - or the church - might be wonderful, but I'm not going to allow anybody to sign any contract in my name without my permission. That's fucked up.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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> Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down What from the outside looks "irrational", from the inside may look like "not compromising on principles". Money is not the main variable that Musk is trying to maximize at this point.

> not compromising on principles Not compromising on free speech worked well... Until he started banning journalists from Twitter.

It worked well for his own free speech.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Well, your classification truly does not matter in the slightest. This is legal in the Nordics. You know how you make it illegal? By signing the CBA, which if you're already providing better terms, doesn't change anything.

Almost all of the comments on this forum, or any online forum do not matter in the slightest. But perhaps we can use forums to discuss ideas.

Perhaps the world needs fewer Americans that speak so confidently about labour relations in other countries. As usual, 90% of what’s being said on this matter is utterly ill-informed back and forth by Americans that despite their best efforts can’t hide that they’ve bought in to the longstanding American anti-unionist culture.
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