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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by nikau »

anaganisk wrote: post #412
nikau wrote: post #257

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Taxis are one of the least stressed engines as they stay at operating temperature for most of their life, more so when they are run 24/7 with multiple shifts.

In Indian traffic cars are constantly revving and slowing down. And Indian taxis are worst maintained. We don't have regulations enforcing it. And the driving of the majority of taxis is also haphazard. I'm not aware of any ideal taxi situation that you're speaking of in the Indian context.

Most engine wear is from cold starts.

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Post by midoridensha »

avmich wrote: post #48

For long time I wondered why UI in spacecrafts is so inconvenient. Apollo computer UI seems to be lacking. Soyuz UI, while seems to improve over years (ha, it would be strange, over so many years...), still looks clunky. And then - Crew Dragon comes with touch screens. Don't they understand it's a big step back? There are benefits of "fluid" interfaces, but where is the attention to important features, ability to use…

One big difference is that spacecraft crews actually train on their craft, just like aircraft pilots, and extensively. So they know what all the controls are for, what they do, what to do in an emergency, etc. When a pilot wants to fly a different model of airplane, they have to be retrained (or cross-trained rather) on that model, since the controls and procedures may be different.

For some strange reason, people expect to just jump in the driver's seat of a car and drive away with zero training.

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Post by genman »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #393

Both buttons and touchscreens have a place in a car... especially ergonomic buttons in just the right place and a well made touchscreen gui. All the things that the driver might ever do during driving (blinkers, lights, radio, ac,...) should always be controlled by a physical button, that is easy to find by touch only, even in the dark. On the other hand, reseting TPMS (air pressure system) sensors, looking at servic…

BMW had a rotary control button in every car. Now the idiots have removed it from at least two models (X1 and Active Tourer). My bet is that they will put it back eventually, but the person who made this decision should be shot.

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Post by rkangel »

jfghi wrote: post #233
gffrd wrote: post #201

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The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

Is there some improved BT technology out there? I’ve seldom seen it go more than 20 ft or through a substantial wall.

Bluetooth from an regulations point of view has the same power limits as wifi (it's in the same 2.4 Ghz ISM band). In practice Bluetooth devices are small which limits both antenna size and desired power consumption so they tend to operate at a shorter range. If one end is a car, which has none of these limits, and the other end is a phone with a reasonably well designed antenna, you can get decent range.

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Post by propogandist »

leokennis wrote: post #342
tetromino_ wrote: post #322

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This is an option in Android. Settings > Connected devices Tap on the device, that brings up a list of switches for features the device is allowed to use. I assume iOS probably has something similar.

You are unfortunately assuming incorrectly. Bluetooth on iOS is a mess. If you are paired but not connected to a device, all you can do is forget it. If you are paired and connected, you can: * Change the name of the device as it appears on your phone * If it's an audio device change its function (for example "car stereo", so iPhone will not automatically decrease volume if you put the volume to max which it will do…

The audio preference to be bluetooth audio only can be configured in the cars bluetooth connection settings, usually.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

xwdv wrote: post #103

Not wonderful. People are comfortable with buttons but with this comfort comes a loss of innovation on new ideas that are better than buttons. Audi is working on advanced technology where by simply pinching the air in front of your infotainment and moving your hand left or right, you can control volume as if you were moving an analog slider widget. You can also grab the air and rotate your hand left and right to cont…

So the innovation over buttons is gestures. Sort of like pushing buttons.

"Advanced technology". Touchscreens while driving can be finicky and dangerous for removing attention from traffic. Who's to say this advanced technology is going to be as seamless as you imagine, instead of requiring my hand to be located just-so before it reads? Never understood why "if it isn't broken don't fix it" is such a horrible idea to people like you.

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Post by Kirby64 »

eps wrote: post #310
mikeryan wrote: post #67

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There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. There is, in fact, one large difference. With a button you know you’ve pushed it. Once you see where to press your eyes can go back to the road while you actually press the button since the feedback indicating it’s been pressed is…

Car touchscreens also have tactile feedback - they produce a click and a vibration when a press is registred. This works well. What doesn't work at all is being able to find a button without looking.

Largely, no they don't. Most models I've seen (including, the usual whipping boy Tesla) do not have any haptic feedback on their touch screens. Noises when clicking something is more common, though.

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Post by sedawk »

gffrd wrote: post #201
tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

And mine won't even hold a steady connection from a few feet away! Not without having to "turn it off - and turn it on again", at least once every few days.

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Post by bitsoda »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #59
whoopdeepoo wrote: post #51

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Buy a Mazda

In about 10 years when they are finally serious about EV's

I'm convinced Mazda could have taken over the world with an electric CX-5. What a missed opportunity. Hopefully it's not too late for them as I think it's one of the nicer, and more tasteful vehicles on the road.

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Post by jenadine »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #151
jenadine wrote: post #81

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I have seen a touch screen covered by a thin layer of plastic in the button row that has some indentation so the finger can feel where the buttons are. This was on the control panel of an industrial machine. With some small sound or haptic feedback when the button is being pressed, this allows someone familiar with the interface to quickly press some buttons while operating the machine. (There was also an indentation…

Did you have to buy a new cover when the buttons moved?

In that case, the interface was made for that display. So that every screen had their buttons located under the bumps. (In the buttons row)

Some elements were not located there, but that was not the most used ones and then it was ok to look at the screen.

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