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Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]

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Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]

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This makes no sense. Just because you switch jobs doesn't mean you can never talk to people at your old job never again.

Meeting your former colleagues is like the high-school reunion that happens once per decade. It is too rare, and it is obvious that most of the things that connected you in the past are not there anymore.

Again, this isn't some law of nature. I regularly connect with old colleagues, we all went our separate ways and a lot of our commonalities changed, yet somehow I can still talk to them, see what they're doing, etc.

Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]

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I imagine managers must also be worried about losing employees by requiring them to return.

Im not going back to an office 5 days a week. If they make that demand, I'm out. My guess is many others are in the same boat and managers will be careful in how they reintroduce office time to avoid large scale turnover.

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This is ironic coming from Stanford, who is currently fucking up every single aspect of their handling of covid, as many Stanford students will attest to. Colleges are basically scammers at this point. The whole benefit of going to college is being able to meet like-minded smart, young people like yourself. Remote college isn't a thing and never will be. College is about people, as much as it is about learning. The u…

If I was a college student during covid, I would opt for that year off. I totally agree with you that college is a social experience.

In terms of work, however, I think it depends on the organization and people's stage of life. If you already have a family, then WFH is much better to me and worth the tradeoff. Imagine being able to spend 2-3 hours with your young kid everyday at the cost of less face time with your coworkers.

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I think the big problem here is that most managers add zero value and if anything negatively impact velocity. Really all that’s needed is a project manager with a light touch to help the team know what features are needed by leadership. Then the team can use their freedom of direction to prioritise features along with existing technical work to optimise the technologies being leveraged to better position the business…

This is a ludicrous take. Read a book like high output management and learn what managers actually do and you might realize what value they should be providing.

Former software dev manager here. My job was split roughly into thirds - babysitting and mediating team issues, running interference to keep the executives out of my team's hair and bird-dogging HR and payroll issues. I would walk around sometimes and see if anyone needed me to expedite something or clear a blocker and I would go do it. (We were lucky in that we were working on something interesting and kind of ground-breaking so we didn't need a lot of "team building" rah rah to get everyone to work up the enthusiasm to work on a product nobody really cared about.)

Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]

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I've been almost permanently WFH since April, with a few weeks back in the office during summer when the incidence rate was lower, then back to WFH when the second wave hit. I enjoy not having to commute, but I absolutely miss the banter across the desks and lunch conversations. I would absolutely like to keep 2-3 weekly WFH days in the future, which would also give me more flexibility in where I choose to live, I re…

2-3 days commuting per week, you still probably don't want a 2 hr. each way commute. Even 1 day per week that ends up being a day you sort of dread. That said a 1.5 to 2 hour commute once a week is doable but that still only gets you to a closer to nature location. It doesn't really give you the option to live in a different cheaper city if that's what you want--which is what many people (not myself) are looking for…

A 2 hour each way commute is definitely excessive. Luckily the distances here are not as great as for instance in the US, so my colleague who lives in a town perceived as "far away" from the city has a ~1 hour commute by car. For comparison, I live 6km away from work (well within good public transit coverage) and it takes me around 35 minutes by bus.

As a downside to distances being generally shorter, we also don't have the same vast impressive swathes of nature that the US and Canada do, plus historically we cut down most of our forests to maintain an impressive navy. However we do have some forests left and plenty of coastline, no part of the country is more than 50km from the coast, there is still plentiful natural beauty to admire.

So it is possible to live closer to nature here, while still being not too far away from the city. In the long run, I may also want to get out of IT and do something less stressful and more "real", but that's something I'm still weighing the pros and cons of. There is also the consideration that by living in the city, I have very easy access to events and dining experiences, which is something I do still value, even if the pandemic has made all of that seem like the distant past.

One thing I do know is that I'm not interested in suburbia. It's either apartment living or close to nature, I'm not interested in the small identical plots of land, cookie cutter communities, HOAs, any of that stuff. I want my neighbors either on the other side of a wall or more than a stone's throw away :-)

Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]

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I've been almost permanently WFH since April, with a few weeks back in the office during summer when the incidence rate was lower, then back to WFH when the second wave hit. I enjoy not having to commute, but I absolutely miss the banter across the desks and lunch conversations. I would absolutely like to keep 2-3 weekly WFH days in the future, which would also give me more flexibility in where I choose to live, I re…

One negative is that such a hybrid mode still ties you to a location, albeit more loosely. Being able to travel and live in arbitrary (often cheaper) places is a benefit of pure remote work that many people seem to enjoy.

I know a lot of people want that nomad lifestyle, but that's not for me. Both my girlfriend and I have moved a lot during our educations and work histories, we would like somewhere to grow roots, have a vegetable garden, invite friends for barbecues, that sort of thing.

Upholding a nomad lifestyle means it's very hard to establish and maintain friendships and we've both had to completely abandon several circles of friends over the years, due to moving. That's not something I enjoy.

Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]

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The problem for US/UK/EU employees is greater than ever with things going remote.

If everyone is remote, then a person in India is the same as a person in US/UK/EU and the two differentiating factors are 1.Cost 2.Talent

This puts a very big burden on employees in the US/UK/EU in that they have to increase their talent to match their offshore counterparts while at the same time fighting to make sure their salaries don’t go down

Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]

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I think it's worth looking into "theory of the firm" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_firm Why should employees even exist? Shouldn't firms just sack everyone, then hire contractors? I often hear advocates of remote work talk about "presenteeism" and how managers need to just focus more on outputs. This is fine, but if they can do that why not sack everyone and just hire contractors and pay for the outpu…

>I often hear advocates of remote work talk about "presenteeism" and how managers need to just focus more on outputs. This is fine, but if they can do that why not sack everyone and just hire contractors and pay for the outputs? Why not do that anyway? The same reasons apply. >If they are at work, and can't slack off, then they will use this discretion to create value for the company in ways that the managers don't a…

> I've never been in a work environment where everyone is working at 100% all the time. Never. Have you?

Yes, (except mandated breaks) although they were all unskilled labor. Working in shipping/receiving, a warehouse, fast food (less so, there usually are lulls at certain times), a restaurant. Very little time not spent working.

In an office environment, though? Yeah, I've never seen it, except on the rare day when something major breaks and it needs to be resolved asap.

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This is ironic coming from Stanford, who is currently fucking up every single aspect of their handling of covid, as many Stanford students will attest to. Colleges are basically scammers at this point. The whole benefit of going to college is being able to meet like-minded smart, young people like yourself. Remote college isn't a thing and never will be. College is about people, as much as it is about learning. The u…

I went to a German university and fortunately most universities here still believe that their job is to enable learning and that university is as much about learning to learn and learning to live than it is about the content. In contrast to school this means the motivation has to come from the students and there is no mandatory attendance. I for one was glad that I didn't have to sit in lectures that I can learn in l…

> Not attending class doesn't mean you have no human interaction, there are tons of other options for human interaction like sport clubs.

Sure, but the key is like-minded individuals, and it's fun (at least for many people) to be thrown together with hundreds or thousands of other people who are at the same life stage as you.

Sports clubs, and many similar clubs and societies, amongst university students only really work when those students are substantially located in roughly the same geographical location.

You're conflating being in a lecture hall with attending university. Being in lectures is a small part of the whole experience. Much of the rest of that experience relies heavily on being mostly colocated for the academic year.

A really small example: Cambridge University will not be able to continue fielding a top quality rowing squad unless the squad members are all able to train together as a team. It will not be able to recruit new members to its rowing teams to build that top quality squad unless it can bring all those people together.

On the teaching front it's pretty difficult to do a substantial proportion of, e.g., practical physics, chemistry, and biology labs from home or your hall of residence. It's also going to be impossible to meaningfully participate in practical engineering labs, or many of the activities that medical students need to do in order to qualify as doctors.

Even the more practical aspects of the arts and music present serious challenges, and nobody can make me believe that a remote experience in these disciplines will be anything more than second rate.

For some people I'm sure it's fine (Open University and its associated remote learning have after all been available in the UK for decades) but for most people remote university is going to be an extremely impoverished experience. If I were university age now I'd seriously consider deferring until the pandemic is in the past.

Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]

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I've been 100% remote and run remote teams since 2014 and I promise that it won't stick for the broader society. Here's why: 1. Socializing is the primary activity that happens at work for the vast majority of workers. The gal or guy coming by your desk to "check in" or "see how your weekend was" etc... is literally where they find their social outlets and personal connections. 2. Managers like to be able to watch th…

I agree with your sentiment. I encounter a majority of people in my workplace that say they really miss the chance encounters with people they don’t get to work with frequently - those chance encounter they say sparks something interesting. When I hear people vocalize this, they portray it as something of value and while I don’t doubt they value the interaction I do doubt that the interaction has created productive v…

> those chance encounter they say sparks something interesting

Don't underestimate how many of those start from overhearing interesting conversations between other people.

Does that ever happen in WFH companies?

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