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Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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stefanfisk wrote: post #449
natch wrote: post #430

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It’s not proprietary in the sense that the offer has been made for any car company to use the same connector technology (and even the supercharger network) royalty free. No car companies have taken Tesla up on this offer. The ones that expressed interest wanted Tesla to make needless changes... but part of the deal with Tesla offering the tech is that it has to be done in a way that does not burn extra engineering ti…

Where can one read more about which competitors expressen interest and why it fell through?

I don’t know. Probably these were internal communications between the companies. Where I heard about it was Musk summarized the situation in one of his interviews, but I have no idea which one.

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dondawest wrote: post #458
natch wrote: post #457

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Nice try attempting to turn the wording around, but you fell flat, and it's not constructive. The OP thinks there are no buttons at all. If you're changing the AC that often, AC can be reached and adjusted with muscle memory. No need to look. The controls are at a fixed point on the screen, near the edge, easy to brace a hand there (or not) if desired while using a thumb or finger to make a selection. Next time have…

Ironically you drew your own false conclusion about me while telling me not to draw false conclusions: I have tons of experience with the car. I put many thousands of miles on the model S I used to own. I have literally thousands of hours of experience driving a Tesla. And at no point did my “muscle memory” kick in, because muscle memory only works with tactile feedback. AC absolutely can not be reached and adjusted…

Death and vomit... classy bro. The 3 is different from the S. And personally I do glance at the screen safely when needed and there is nothing wrong with that.

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natch wrote: post #472
dondawest wrote: post #458

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Ironically you drew your own false conclusion about me while telling me not to draw false conclusions: I have tons of experience with the car. I put many thousands of miles on the model S I used to own. I have literally thousands of hours of experience driving a Tesla. And at no point did my “muscle memory” kick in, because muscle memory only works with tactile feedback. AC absolutely can not be reached and adjusted…

Death and vomit... classy bro. The 3 is different from the S. And personally I do glance at the screen safely when needed and there is nothing wrong with that.

Actually, there is something wrong with that: taking your eyes off the road while driving is the very definition of a distracted driver.

Death and vomit are two things that Tesla cars create. Who cares about classiness, we’re anonymous screen names on the internet.

Also, you still haven’t addressed or refuted my points regarding physical feedback and muscle memory, or regarding my challenge to any Tesla owner to turn their AC on and off while driving ten times in a row, which literally no one would be able to do.

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natch wrote: post #470
steelframe wrote: post #463

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> Over time ... with free software updates the gap will narrow as well. Yeah, this guy's drinking the Koolaid. I've tried a road trip in a Tesla exactly once. I drive gas on road trips now.

There are right and wrong ways to do charging on a road trip. If you’re such a noob that you’ve only done it once, you very likely may have been doing it wrong. So I wouldn’t give your anecdata much weight.

I would give your anecdata precisely zero weight because it directly contradicts with the hundreds and hundreds of Tesla owners I’ve met and chatted with.

Musk is a false prophet dude, leave his religion, your faith in him will not benefit you but it MIGHT make you die in a car crash.

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steelframe wrote: post #469
natch wrote: post #438

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Nice try on using that hyperbolic wording, but the Supercharger network is growing like crazy, not on life support as you put it. And the charging infrastructure is not as closed as you are suggesting, as has been explained here repeatedly. What does the I-Pace charging network look like right now? Do they have a map of current high speed chargers? > stop lying to me about fully self-driving capabilities. This is aga…

Oh, sorry. I wasn't aware that Tesla has actually been saying, "We're quickly learning that FSD is orders of magnitude more difficult than we originally thought. If you buy AP2 with the FSD option, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that you'll actually get FSD on your AP2, and you'll never be able to upgrade your car with the hardware we sort of think you'll maybe actually need." I guess I just haven't been pay…

Sarcasm noted. Elon and Tesla have in the past admitted mistakes, and you should credit them for that. If their current projections turn out to be off, based on their track record I am confident they will do the right thing. In the meantime whining about imaginary problems in a sarcastic manner doesn’t make you sound very convincing.

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dondawest wrote: post #459
natch wrote: post #435

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You might be surprised. Charging is pretty fast if you run down the battery to say 10 - 20% and then charge only what you need at each supercharger along the way. Overall it is a bit slower than an ICE car if the ICE car is not taking any breaks, but the other aspects of the car make this a very small price to pay. Over time as the supercharger network gets faster and with free software updates the gap will narrow as…

It is dramatically slower than ICE cars dude. Over time ... it will still be dramatically slower. Teslas are an expensive fragile toy for rich people that can afford to stop for an hour every few hundred miles. But literally who wants to do that ?!?!? Not me

Slower refueling on road trips only, not when near home.

The best part is when not on road trips, just charge at home and never visit a gas station.

And no alternators, starter motors, fuel pumps, carburetors, oil, etc., etc, etc.

Expensive? Not so much when you consider all the extra constant maintenance costs of an ICE car.

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dondawest wrote: post #474
natch wrote: post #470

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There are right and wrong ways to do charging on a road trip. If you’re such a noob that you’ve only done it once, you very likely may have been doing it wrong. So I wouldn’t give your anecdata much weight.

I would give your anecdata precisely zero weight because it directly contradicts with the hundreds and hundreds of Tesla owners I’ve met and chatted with. Musk is a false prophet dude, leave his religion, your faith in him will not benefit you but it MIGHT make you die in a car crash.

Hundreds and hundreds eh? How’d you manage that?

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Post by natch »

dondawest wrote: post #473
natch wrote: post #472

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Death and vomit... classy bro. The 3 is different from the S. And personally I do glance at the screen safely when needed and there is nothing wrong with that.

Actually, there is something wrong with that: taking your eyes off the road while driving is the very definition of a distracted driver. Death and vomit are two things that Tesla cars create. Who cares about classiness, we’re anonymous screen names on the internet. Also, you still haven’t addressed or refuted my points regarding physical feedback and muscle memory, or regarding my challenge to any Tesla owner to turn…

Someone should sell a tactile dash overlay kit for people like you. I’m half serious... if done well, some silly people would buy it to overcome the perceived problems you think you see.

Maybe it could also make “vroom, vroom” noises for people who feel that the absence of the feedback of engine noise poses a serious danger. I’ve talked to hundreds and hundreds of ICE car drivers and many of them think this is a serious concern.

Oh and block off the rear view mirrors because they might distract from the road ahead... according to your line of thinking.

And it could move the speedometer display down behind the steering wheel where the driver would have to bob their head to see the readout. But at least it would be centered like an old ICE car.

Your points are ridiculous.

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Post by goshx »

paganel wrote: post #140
goshx wrote: post #125

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You mean, you would not buy electric if, as a mechanic, most of your knowledge cannot be applied to an electric car. For other people who like speed and performance, Tesla's are the cheapest way to get there.

> For other people who like speed and performance, Tesla's are the cheapest way to get there. I generally like Teslas but unfortunately they were not meant to be driven at high speeds for what other people consider as a normal period of time, as can be seen for example in this YT video [1] of a Tesla's battery over-heating after driving at 190-200 kph on the German autobahn. Their 0-to-100 kph times are excellent, th…

They released a new version of the firmware today to fix this.

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Post by dondawest »

natch wrote: post #477
dondawest wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would give your anecdata precisely zero weight because it directly contradicts with the hundreds and hundreds of Tesla owners I’ve met and chatted with. Musk is a false prophet dude, leave his religion, your faith in him will not benefit you but it MIGHT make you die in a car crash.

Hundreds and hundreds eh? How’d you manage that?

Spent a lot of time at Superchargers bored as hell because supercharging sucks. Wound up talking to hundreds of other Tesla owners over the course of hundreds of supercharging sessions.
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