Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by dondawest » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 5:26 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #425

legitster wrote: post #287

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Mazda developed their physical controls by blindfolding testers and making sure they could use everything on touch alone. In comparison, Tesla's approach of putting everything in a single touchscreen is a cost cutting measure being sold as trendy BS. And dangerous to boot.

Everything is not in a single touchscreen though. There are plenty of buttons and other physical controls within reach of muscle memory. Amazed how many people keep repeating this misconception.

It’s not a misconception. Have you seen the model 3 interior? Almost zero buttons. And model Y is gonna be built on the same frame as model 3 so we can expect more of the same dangerous idiotic design that lead Tesla to force drivers to take their eyes off the road and look at a screen to do something as simple as turn on the Air Conditioning.

Everyone who’s ever driven a Tesla knows that they are fragile death-and-vomit machines masquerading as strong proud cars.

Source: used to own a model S. Traded it in for a Prius because musk is a false prophet and the car was a piece of shit

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by xedeon » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 5:30 PM UTC

jacques_chester wrote: post #424

xedeon wrote: post #412

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Let's keep moving the goalpost and changing the topic. :) But I'll indulge you since you need a quick history lesson. Toyota: Founded: August 28, 1937 Ford Founded: June 16, 1903 Tesla Motors: Founded: July 1, 2003 So what's your point exactly?

If I go looking for zebras, I will notice them. But that doesn't make them common.

You're hilarious. From EV's to ICE cars now animals? What's next? you'll ask me if I have seen aliens?

Before you ask, no I haven't seen those yet. Been to a 5 day African Safari and did not see any Zebras either.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by dondawest » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #431

tzhenghao wrote: post #346

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This. As much as I'd like my car to have the shiny, futuristic stuff, I think buttons are essential when doing more common stuff without taking my eyes off the road. I don't mind hybrid approaches like the newer touchscreen capabilities on new BMW iDrive systems, but having physical buttons that I can feel and interact with without crashing is good UX design. Fwiw, you don't see high performance cars with an all touc…

You’re being fed false information if you think Tesla cars don’t have buttons. There are plenty of buttons and other physical controls even in the Model 3.

You’re being fed false information if you think that those buttons cover all the typical functions people rely on buttons to perform.

The fact is that Tesla cars encourage distracted driving by forcing drivers to avert their eyes from the road and look at an LED screen every time they want to do something as simple as turn on the air conditioning.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by dondawest » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 5:36 PM UTC

fattire wrote: post #388

paddy_m wrote: post #341

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I completely agree about buttons. Touch screens have no place in a car.

Have you tried it or are you speculating?

I have tried it and found that... touch screens have no place in a car. They inherently encourage distracted driving

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by philwelch » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 5:41 PM UTC

SEJeff wrote: post #448

philwelch wrote: post #384

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Volkswagen was used for war manufacturing pretty much as soon as they started and never manufactured commercial passenger vehicles until years after the war. If you made that point about Daimler or BMW you might have a point, because they actually made cars before being turned into Nazi war manufacturers and bombed into oblivion, but Volkswagen was never anything but a Nazi war manufacturer until the end of the war.…

Ummmmm Hitler ordered the manufacturing of the Bug in April of 1934. This was before WWII. Civilian production was stopped at the start of the war, but it was definitely being built before the war, as evidenced by many historical sources.

> The construction of the new factory started in May 1938 in the new town of "Stadt des KdF-Wagens" (modern-day Wolfsburg), which had been purpose-built for the factory workers.[15] This factory had only produced a handful of cars by the time war started in 1939. None were actually delivered to any holder of the completed saving stamp books, though one Type 1 Cabriolet was presented to Hitler on 20 April 1944 (his 55th birthday).[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#1932%E2%80%931938:_...

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by _ea1k » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 6:03 PM UTC

waitingForTesla wrote: post #192

_ea1k wrote: post #16

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No, there is no evidence of a backlog, outside of certain trims. The model 3 SR still has a backlog, by virtue of not having been made yet.

In Ontario Canada there are real wait times that are over a month for long range and AWD options for Model 3, even though the website falsely proclaims delivery within two weeks. I would define a wait time over a month (and counting) a backlog.

Thanks for that. I appreciate the additional data-point, as most of what I was seeing before was that there was pointing towards a possible inventory buildup in North America. If even the high end trims are actually in shorter supply than indicated, then maybe demand isn't so soft after all.

It still leaves me with a lot of questions about Model X and S, but I think there are more reasonable theories there than a demand cliff.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by natch » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

dondawest wrote: post #453

natch wrote: post #431

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You’re being fed false information if you think Tesla cars don’t have buttons. There are plenty of buttons and other physical controls even in the Model 3.

You’re being fed false information if you think that those buttons cover all the typical functions people rely on buttons to perform. The fact is that Tesla cars encourage distracted driving by forcing drivers to avert their eyes from the road and look at an LED screen every time they want to do something as simple as turn on the air conditioning.

Nice try attempting to turn the wording around, but you fell flat, and it's not constructive. The OP thinks there are no buttons at all.

If you're changing the AC that often, AC can be reached and adjusted with muscle memory. No need to look. The controls are at a fixed point on the screen, near the edge, easy to brace a hand there (or not) if desired while using a thumb or finger to make a selection.

Next time have some actual experience with the car before drawing conclusions.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by dondawest » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 6:53 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #457

dondawest wrote: post #453

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You’re being fed false information if you think that those buttons cover all the typical functions people rely on buttons to perform. The fact is that Tesla cars encourage distracted driving by forcing drivers to avert their eyes from the road and look at an LED screen every time they want to do something as simple as turn on the air conditioning.

Nice try attempting to turn the wording around, but you fell flat, and it's not constructive. The OP thinks there are no buttons at all. If you're changing the AC that often, AC can be reached and adjusted with muscle memory. No need to look. The controls are at a fixed point on the screen, near the edge, easy to brace a hand there (or not) if desired while using a thumb or finger to make a selection. Next time have…

Ironically you drew your own false conclusion about me while telling me not to draw false conclusions: I have tons of experience with the car. I put many thousands of miles on the model S I used to own. I have literally thousands of hours of experience driving a Tesla. And at no point did my “muscle memory” kick in, because muscle memory only works with tactile feedback.

AC absolutely can not be reached and adjusted on a Tesla from muscle memory, even when you have thousands of hours of experience driving the Tesla. Muscle memory simply doesn’t work without tactile feedback and placing a button close to the edge of a screen is not enough feedback for anyone.

I challenge even the most experienced Tesla owner to turn their AC on and off from the screen while driving without looking at the screen, ten times in a row. $100 says their failure rate will be greater than 1/10. And then they’ll have to look at the screen while driving and become — by default — A DISTRACTED DRIVER.

Teslas are death and vomit machines. And this is coming from someone who used to be a True Believer in the Church of Musk like you appear to be.

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by dondawest » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 7:01 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #435

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #253

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> My Model 3 can conveniently do cross-country trips. Not compared to gasoline, though.

You might be surprised. Charging is pretty fast if you run down the battery to say 10 - 20% and then charge only what you need at each supercharger along the way. Overall it is a bit slower than an ICE car if the ICE car is not taking any breaks, but the other aspects of the car make this a very small price to pay. Over time as the supercharger network gets faster and with free software updates the gap will narrow as…

It is dramatically slower than ICE cars dude. Over time ... it will still be dramatically slower.

Teslas are an expensive fragile toy for rich people that can afford to stop for an hour every few hundred miles. But literally who wants to do that ?!?!? Not me

Re: Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by bksenior » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 7:54 PM UTC

beamatronic wrote: post #251

rconti wrote: post #213

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I don't disagree, but this reminds me SO much of when I bought my first Mac in 2002 (mind you, I was switching from Linux, not from Windows) and all the nay-sayers were claiming stupid stuff like "MAC doesn't have virus problems because who writes viruses for 2% of the market?" My basic attitude was "I'll enjoy what I've got while I have it." I've only OWNED a Tesla for 6 months, but man it feels like the other manuf…

I don’t know if anyone could release a real “Tesla killer” except for Porsche. It has to be sexy after all.

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