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How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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I do not mind when I am coding with Claude and it uses all the typical claudisms. I am much more bothered when I am reading a blog post, email, or other form of prose and I see those same claudisms. I guess they are not annoying since I know I am talking to an LLM and expect the typical responses. When I am reading prose online that I previously would have expected a human to write, it can be quite jarring to realize…

I didn't use Claude for a long time, but my coworkers did, so I got infected through a side channel: I ended up reading their vibed docs, noticed "load-bearing", kind of liked it, and started using it in conversation, until I got feedback that I was "talking like Claude", so now I avoid the phrase entirely. The intersection of language and social norms is interesting.

“Now the only coworker who will sit with me at lunch is Claude. Alice, what do I do?”

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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The biggest consistent tell for LLM writing is when the conversation leaks through into the final prose. You read along with the text and things seem to be going fine until all of the sudden it starts arguing against a position that no one has actually taken and which doesn't feature elsewhere in the text at all. Then it drops that and goes on for a while before doing the whole thing again about a totally different t…

This one honestly drives me nuts.

Another issue I had recently is one of the subagents made up a bunch of meaningless jargon and Claude gladly repeated it to me with no definition and completely assuming I was coming along for the ride.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Yeah wow fascinating! It's almost like LLM output quality was never the point from a business perspective. Real people think in concepts and experiences instead of words. The words are not so important to get the idea across, but LLMs only model language. The problem is fundamental. There's no workaround. Averaging out word usage might even make the problem worse.

This sort of take is so tired and boring, and frankly has zero grounding in reality. "LLMs will never " is constantly being disproven every time they scale up to the next 10X and apply architectural improvements. Their internal representations are so cryptic and complex that even the top AI researchers don't really know how they work or what their limits are. No one is going to take you seriously as a rando HN user i…

We know exactly how LLMs work. you don't understand how they work and so you think they are free of physical limits like scaling. There are several rudimentary articles on hackernews for you to peruse to understand weights and scaling. IMO the "magic" derived from LLMs comes from one of humanity's actual greatest inventions and constantly evolving tools: language.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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How can their internal representation represent "concepts" when the training data is all words? There's no possible experience of the world there. No input other than a bunch of imperfect labels we created for stuff.

> There's no possible experience of the world there. No input other than a bunch of imperfect labels we created for stuff. The brain too sits locked inside a bone box and only gets a bundle of unlabeled nerves connecting it to the outside. How can the brain could possibly experience anything, it only sees patters and patterns of patterns never the real thing?

a bone box.. with eyes and 100 million nerve endings to experience the world...

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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How can their internal representation represent "concepts" when the training data is all words? There's no possible experience of the world there. No input other than a bunch of imperfect labels we created for stuff.

This is a wild argument. If I use the word "semantic", do you have a concept of what it means? If so, can you please share which of your senses have shaped the world experience that inform this concept? What have you smelled, tasted, caressed, that informed this concept outside of words? If I make up the word "polysemantic", do you need to recall a personal experience of polyamory to understand it, or could you possi…

Yes. When someone is teaching you language as a baby you have eyes and ears and 100 million nerve endings and constant "training" to understand language. You cannot understand the word "semantics" as a human without this crucial "training" step. My god you people will pull out the most bs metaphors to justify being in awe(and debt) to a software program.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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I think the more interesting thing is to actually get Claude to stop saying it. Or to get an AI to do things you want, but more precisely. Ran into an issue the other day where I couldn't get a model to "just copy this and change the details!" without doing way too much thinking and then bloating the thing 2x.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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I'm not claiming to know better than researchers. They do know how they work, and so does everyone else, except you I guess. The research goals were and still are clearly distinct from the business goals.

Understanding how transformers work does not mean understanding how they compose into the capabilities we observe. The former is concretely understood. The latter is an active area of research where no, we (in general, including you) do not understand how they work.

What capabilities? Regurgitating a collage of training data? Again it's pretty easy to understand why this happens. The "magic" you are perceiving is language itself not these models. Language is a constantly evolving tool and we constantly imbue it with our collective knowledge.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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> I want the ability to shame and discredit anyone passing the job of prose to a machine. What about people who don’t speak your language well?

I've dealt with many people by now who would copy and paste from an LLM for that exact reason, typically entirely unaware of how obvious it was that the result came from an LLM with no style guidance, and of course completely lacking any ability to verify that their intent was faithfully conveyed. I would rather learn their language than continue interacting like that.

I deal with people in five other countries in a daily basis, and LLMs have only been a benefit in terms of improving communication.

You claim you’d “rather learn their language”, but it’s an empty claim. How many languages have you learned for this reason?

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