And there’s the smoking gun.
You're right to pushback, and that's on me.
How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
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Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
#232Lots of people have their own voice and tend to prefer certain phrases. This has been the case for a long time and is generally not a big issue. Now LLMs come along and they also have their own phrasing preferences. But now it's a problem because what used to be personal preferences of a single person that manifests in 5000 words per day from one person tops, is now the bias of a single model multiplied x10,000,000,0…
Yeah wow fascinating! It's almost like LLM output quality was never the point from a business perspective. Real people think in concepts and experiences instead of words. The words are not so important to get the idea across, but LLMs only model language. The problem is fundamental. There's no workaround. Averaging out word usage might even make the problem worse.
This sort of take is so tired and boring, and frankly has zero grounding in reality.
"LLMs will never " is constantly being disproven every time they scale up to the next 10X and apply architectural improvements.
Their internal representations are so cryptic and complex that even the top AI researchers don't really know how they work or what their limits are. No one is going to take you seriously as a rando HN user if you're claiming to know better than them.
Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
#233It's not that it uses certain phrases, it's that it settles on predictable speech patterns and uses them incessantly. What's funny is that humans do this too, but we don't find it irritating; we just call it a speaking style. But when a machine does it, it drives us crazy. Very interesting psychological phenomenon there.
If it uses a specific style for each user then this would still be fine. Problem is it does the same style for everyone. We need personality
If training models ever becomes 'cheap' for whatever definition of cheap you want to use, I suspect that will happen. With the current costs of a GDP of a small nation I don't see this likely for the time being.
Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
#234Bottom line up front: There's no silver bullet to keep the final boss from delving more deeply.
Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
#235It's not that it uses certain phrases, it's that it settles on predictable speech patterns and uses them incessantly. What's funny is that humans do this too, but we don't find it irritating; we just call it a speaking style. But when a machine does it, it drives us crazy. Very interesting psychological phenomenon there.
> What's funny is that humans do this too, but we don't find it irritating; we just call it a speaking style. But when a machine does it, it drives us crazy. Very interesting psychological phenomenon there. When a human does it, it's identifying. Like the timbre and dynamics of their spoken voice itself, It distinguishes them from the dozen other people you're working with on the project and the thousands of people y…
You could say it works perfectly well, it is identifying indeed. Of Claude and of people who use Claude's raw output instead of expressing themselves.
Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah wow fascinating! It's almost like LLM output quality was never the point from a business perspective. Real people think in concepts and experiences instead of words. The words are not so important to get the idea across, but LLMs only model language. The problem is fundamental. There's no workaround. Averaging out word usage might even make the problem worse.
This sort of take is so tired and boring, and frankly has zero grounding in reality. "LLMs will never " is constantly being disproven every time they scale up to the next 10X and apply architectural improvements. Their internal representations are so cryptic and complex that even the top AI researchers don't really know how they work or what their limits are. No one is going to take you seriously as a rando HN user i…
I'm not claiming to know better than researchers. They do know how they work, and so does everyone else, except you I guess.
The research goals were and still are clearly distinct from the business goals.
Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
#237It's not that it uses certain phrases, it's that it settles on predictable speech patterns and uses them incessantly. What's funny is that humans do this too, but we don't find it irritating; we just call it a speaking style. But when a machine does it, it drives us crazy. Very interesting psychological phenomenon there.
> but we don't find it irritating Yes we do! My wife keeps saying "100%" and after I pointed it out she's stopped. Also I talk to dozens of different people in my life and they all have different overused phrases. Much less tedious when there's variety. Finally most human don't do it nearly as often as AI, and they're not quite as LinkedIn as AI. We don't find it more annoying because it's a machine - it's simply mor…
It's like a new fad word. Gnarly, cool, bogus, rizz. When a few people use them it's new and interesting. When all of culture catches up and overuses them it's annoying as your gen-Z saying 6/7 40 times in a row.
The problem with millions of people using a few model is it's not 40 times in a row, it's 40 million!
Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
#238Developers who can't stop themselves from using embellished and "posturing" phrasing for simple things are a pet peeve of mine. I feel like this "knack" of Claude in a way scratches these special people behind the ears in just the right way.
Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another one is "surface", like in "across all product surfaces". I've been in the field for 15 years and have never heard that particular usage before.
Mine is obsessed with "planes". Data plane, control plane, management plane. Everything is a plane :)
Well, they are just a manifold, so it's fair for them to view every conceptual thing in geometry.
Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing
#240What is arguably worse is hearing these phrases from humans who have been inculcated with the notion that their usage is idiomatic and appropriate. And we thought "robust", "circle back", and "to leverage" were grating...
makes it easy to discard someones opinion when they hit you with 'geniunely'[0]
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