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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by dmitryminkovsky »

giantg2 wrote: post #230
TylerE wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

absolutely not. Roll cages are completely unsafe in a street car unless you’re wearing a helmet. Also two words: Crumple zones. You don’t want a super hard Skelton, that will only increase crash forces.

"Roll cages are completely unsafe in a street car unless you’re wearing a helmet." No shit, that's why I mention a helmet. Roll cages, if properly done, do not affect crumple zones. The passenger compartment should not be crumbling and that's the only part a roll cage should be in. Keep in mind that actual race cars have a rigid occupant compartment, crash at higher speeds, and have great safety records due in part t…

I think crumple zones are unrelated to the roll cage in GP's comment. It's nice to have a crumple zone, right?

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by tsol »

SoftTalker wrote: post #255
varun_chopra wrote: post #32

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

What you must understand is that this is human nature not "private companies." When I was in high school I had a friend who worked at one of those 1-hr photo processing places. People would bring their film in to have prints made. And there were no small numbers of "intimate" photos on those rolls of film. Yes even in the days of film cameras, people took photos of themselves in sexual situations. Of course my friend…

It's kind of a social problem that's it's so normalized. This isn't the first such story I've heard

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by heavyset_go »

squarefoot wrote: post #65

It may seem paranoid, but it is sane to expect that everything that it is closed and consequently not auditable for security and privacy, and goes online on a network we have no control over, even though not a public one, will soon or later be used for spying.

As long as someone can make a buck, or get a leg up on someone else, without consequence, it'll happen.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by guywithahat »

elif wrote: post #463

I surely hope the cabin camera is disabled while in camp mode...

Although this article seems to imply a lot of things, the only real examples it gives are cases of accidents being uploaded to Tesla and then employees sharing these videos. I don't think you have to worry about normal driving, this seems to be more about edge cases which are reviewed by humans for their FSD.

That said I understand the concern about having a camera in your car which will occasionally upload its content to Tesla

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by freedomben »

WalterBright wrote: post #381
plagiarist wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly so. It is repugnant that level of access was even available to a employee based on nothing but curiosity. Unfortunately another part of human nature is that most people profiting off you don't give a shit about your privacy. This is why legislation such as HIPAA has to exist.

Do you really thing the people in government care about your privacy? Let's be real. Nobody cares about your (or my) privacy.

> Do you really thing the people in government care about your privacy?

They definitely don't, but at least there is electoral pressure applied to them from constituents who they represent. In the case of private orgs it is gobble up anything you can and there's no way for regular users to hold them accountable.

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Post by [deleted] »

sdfghswe wrote: post #440
ThorsBane wrote: post #437

I decided I’m never buying a Tesla because of this.

Does that mean that up until now you thought Tesla is a company full of ethical people? And when I say "ethical people" I mean either the low level individuals wouldn't go violate their customer's privacy, AND the higher level individuals would put in place security measures that would make it impossible for the low-level employees to violate their customer's privacy? Seriously, in your mind what changed?

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by jacquesm »

buildbot wrote: post #444
jacquesm wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany. On paper. But there are plenty of examples of companies doing things that they shouldn't be doing.

I worked for Mercedes R&D for a bit, they absolutely do. Mistakes do happen if course.

Mercedes was my car of choice for decades. Then a late model one decided to phantom brake twice and put me in danger. Never again. That's the kind of thing I would expect from brands with a different reputation. That doesn't say they are playing fast and loose with privacy, and if they do not then that's a point in their favor. But their software absolutely sucks and if that passed QA then who knows what else is going on.

Also: working in R&D doesn't necessarily give you insight into what operations people are up to and what kind of access they have to sensitive data. I've looked at plenty of companies in Germany and not all of them are lily white in this respect. MB may well be one of the better ones, I haven't looked at them in particular. But they use an awful lot of components from companies that have a less good reputation.

And then there was this:

https://dieselgate.legal/news/bosch-leaks

Which mentions MB explicitly.

They also had things like this happen:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mercedes-benz...

I'll reserve judgment, but this is a less than stellar record from my perspective.

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