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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by gadders »

pydry wrote: post #302
thu2111 wrote: post #296

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The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

>For example you think everyone else thinks the NHS is awesome, because left-wing journalists Or because 87% of Britons polled said that they are very proud of it. >you'd be shocked at how little support rail nationalisation would end up having. 56% in favor. 15% actively against. Majority support even by members of the party that was most against it. >The NHS is a socialist anachronism This is a popular view among i…

Let's not forget that approximately 20% of all UK COVID cases were caught in hospital. Not exactly the envy of the world.

FWIW, I think we should keep the NHS and have it free at point of use. However, I don't really care how that service is provided - government employees, private, whatever - as long as the service is good.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by willmw101 »

aembleton wrote: post #421
willmw101 wrote: post #405

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> the UK used to be a major world advocate for human rights >Yes, but we aren't any more Have you got a source for this?

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/sep/22/uk-failing-on-ma...

Seems far from definitive, especially given the scale of the claim you're making, to be quite honest. I'll do some research of my own and link back if I find anything more substantial as I'm actually sympathetic to your original point even if I think the evidence you provided is weak at best.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by arethuza »

arethuza wrote: post #349
Normille wrote: post #342

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>The NHS is a socialist anachronism Always makes me laugh when Americans use "socialist" as a derogatory term. A huge number of people in Europe [myself included] are proud to consider themselves "socialists".

To be fair the founder of the NHS did see it as a socialist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneurin_Bevan "Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community."

To be clear: if the NHS is socialism (and I think it is) then I'm happy to have some socialism in my country.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dheera »

anoncake wrote: post #444
dheera wrote: post #399

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If there is a modal box I usually right click and get rid of the modal box with dev tools. That way I never gave any consent. Nowadays I have browser plugins that do that for me, but same idea. In any case I block cookies on all sites except for a few whitelisted ones so big "ha" to them if they think they can cookie me up. "Functional cookies" my ass. The sites work just fine without them.

Do you really think those websites actually check if you "gave consent" before tracking you?

It feels good to not agree successfully in the lack of a "I don't agree" button. I block their cookies anyway. :) I need to find better ways to mess with their fingerprinting though, or maybe throw back some bogus cookies at them with badly-formatted data instead of blocking them.

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Post by machinelabo »

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

I am appalled at the level of discussion here. Nationalism, both from EU, US and UK side is tiring, this flame war needs to be shut down. This not what HN is for folks.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dheera »

foepys wrote: post #449
sharperguy wrote: post #440

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In practice though with the GDPR, sites either just 403 everyone in the EU to avoid complying, or just shower you in javascript cookie notifications, making your browsing experience more bloated, slow and insecure.

How does it make it more insecure?

Not sure GP's meaning, but just guessing here, maybe it trains people to hit "I agree" to everything without understanding, so when they get an actually security warning they just click right past it.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by M2Ys4U »

petercooper wrote: post #367
arethuza wrote: post #184

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"the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers." The Conservatives have a majority and are there any Remainers left in that party - I thought most of them had been purged before the last election?

Many flipped to the "winning" side. My MP still has posts on her blog about how ardently pro EU she was and how she believed staying in the EU was the best idea. Not long after the referendum and May coming in, she was fully behind Brexit and ready to do whatever it takes. A lot of Tory MPs will just go with the prevailing wind on everything and this is also how they stay in power because being progressive is not a v…

> Many flipped to the "winning" side.

And the ones that didn't were purged

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by Macha »

Nursie wrote: post #384
lanevorockz wrote: post #365

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This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

> only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent Well that seems untrue, as someone that regularly either outright declines, or goes through and chooses "functional only". I do occasionally see websites that say "we no longer serve the european market". That's a shame but it's up to them.

Yeah, the only sites I really come across that do that are local/regional US news sites, which by their nature I'm not really _that_ interested in, I've just been linked from reddit/HN.

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Post by Silhouette »

kalleboo wrote: post #419
lanevorockz wrote: post #365

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This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

> thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites I know of small companies that before GDPR didn't really consider the implications of private data at all. They'd just let their SQL databases grow forever (mark as delete and have "script to actually delete the data" as a TODO that never happened), had random backups lying around on dev machines…

GDPR forced them to actual define policy, start deleting old data that was no longer relevant, strip private data from developer test sets.

That is the theory. The reality is that many small businesses don't even know the GDPR exists. Others are not complying because they think they will get away with it, and they are probably right. The rules are so ambiguous in some important ways that even those who do intend to comply might not actually be compliant and won't find out until a regulator intervenes. And all of that together means that a small business that does try hard and become compliant is at a significant competitive disadvantage.

To be clear, I am a firm believer in strong privacy protections, and my own businesses seek to be in the latter category. But the GDPR is flawed in important ways, and future regulation deviating from it is not necessarily a bad thing. Obviously it depends on whether the deviation is of the selling-out or the fixing-problems variety. Though admittedly, with the current UK government, I fear the former is much more likely.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dspillett »

Reason077 wrote: post #376
selfhoster11 wrote: post #250

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It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

> "b) The privatisation of British rail has been a disaster" Privatisation has not been perfect, but only someone who does not remember the old days of British Rail in the 1980s and 1990s would consider it a disaster. It's true that fares are high, but service levels and passenger numbers are both far above the British Rail days. (UK rail passenger numbers reached an all time record in 2019) Prior to Covid, many of t…

It's a bit unfair to compare to that era of British Rail when at that point it had been run into the ground by under-funding and other bad government decisions, in part (my inner cynic shouts loudly) to make privatisation look more attractive as an option.
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