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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by TheButlerian »

thu2111 wrote: post #296
selfhoster11 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

Based and based pilled.

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Post by switch007 »

lanevorockz wrote: post #365
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

I have never observed a non-techie do anything other than blindly click the call to action (i.e. agree to everything). The entire scheme seems sneakily designed to actually encourage users to give more and explicit consent, avoiding the situation where consent was a grey area. It seems to have been spun to a great extent.

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Post by gadders »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #250
bb123 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

You realise that salad in the UK is already chlorinated, right? I don't see that being an issue. It's just protectionism.

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Post by gadders »

thu2111 wrote: post #305
monkey_monkey wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using quotes to paraphrase your own interpretation of what OP posted (and then ignoring the last sentence which had more meat) is exactly the kind of low value comment you're talking about.

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>>I do believe that one of the major reasons the UK voted to leave was the realisation that other European countries were not in fact friendly allies as the Remain campaign tried to portray, but rather arrogant and complacent takers that saw the UK as a resource to be exploited and abused.

This is certainly the case in the way the EU tried to treat the UK after their own COVID vaccination programme descended into farce.

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Post by sanity »

Normille wrote: post #342
thu2111 wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

>The NHS is a socialist anachronism Always makes me laugh when Americans use "socialist" as a derogatory term. A huge number of people in Europe [myself included] are proud to consider themselves "socialists".

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Post by Reason077 »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #250
bb123 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

> "b) The privatisation of British rail has been a disaster"

Privatisation has not been perfect, but only someone who does not remember the old days of British Rail in the 1980s and 1990s would consider it a disaster. It's true that fares are high, but service levels and passenger numbers are both far above the British Rail days. (UK rail passenger numbers reached an all time record in 2019)

Prior to Covid, many of the busiest lines were operating near their capacity limits, so setting fares any lower would just cause even more severe crowding. And fares, of course, generate revenue to reinvest into expanding capacity.

In any case, UK rail operators are now de-facto nationalised due to Covid. This has been recognised by the ONS, with rail operator's debts now counted on the government balance sheet.

ONS recognises full nationalisation of the UK railways: https://www.ft.com/content/1baa6b50-47ba-416e-b172-90a77a34c...

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Post by sanity »

vmception wrote: post #222
bb123 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

Mostly due to shock. The shock of their financial sector leaving. The shock of getting pitiful trade negotiating. Being unprepared with anything to offer for negotiating leverage. The domestic identity further polarizing and inability to form consensus.

The shock of being well ahead of the EU on vaccinations?

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Post by lucideer »

carmen_sandiego wrote: post #122
bb123 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it inevitable that the UK will become like America? There are plenty of independent Algo-States that are nothing like it. Australia, New Zealand, Canada for example. This comment seems to be borne out spite more than any kind of logic.

I have no idea why but the EU/Brexit is one subject where HN comment quality falls apart. I would have assumed most people here are Americans, so not really emotionally invested in their 'side'. But this comment section is full of Twitter hot take type stuff.

> I would have assumed most people here are Americans, so not really emotionally invested in their 'side'

Similar to how broadly views on Trump outside of the US tended to be similar, when people have some distance from a debate they do tend to fall down on one "side".

I presume by "Twitter hot take" you just mean "takes I personally disagree with", right?

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Post by dundarious »

lanevorockz wrote: post #365
m12k wrote: post #115

‘too many businesses and organisations are reluctant to use data – either because they don’t understand the rules or are afraid of inadvertently breaking them’ TBH I'm glad companies stay away from my data if they don't know how to get consent, store data securely, or even what those things mean.

This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

That is a huge and often unacknowledged factor. However, there are small (smaller than many think) victories even in having those click barriers -- a few percent more people can choose not to click. And unrelated to the GP's point and your response, but the ability to ask for all your data is a huge benefit.

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Post by gadders »

benwad wrote: post #87
sverhagen wrote: post #62

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I have no doubt you're right, but I'm just not familiar with the specific details. What are some real ways they stand to "profit immensely"?

Lowering taxes, lowering regulatory and environmental standards, and undoing workers' rights legislation can all increase the wealth of those who are already wealthy. I'm not saying all of those things are in the pipeline, but they've all been proposed by pro-Brexit politicians (and this article is one example of lowering regulatory standards).

I think there is a case to be made that not all regulations are good regulations, and the UK can perhaps move faster than the EU - for instance by permitting genetically edited (via CRISPR) food to be grown and sold.

Do you know what does help keep the wealthy wealthy? A ready supply of cheap labour from outside the UK.

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