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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Well say goodbye to EU data adequacy. Although to be honest it probably wouldn’t have survived the first court case given the UK state’s addiction to snooping.

It'll be interesting to see what changes they actually propose. Id assume they would want to avoid threatening the EU adequacy decision so would go with some changes that would score them some points with businesses but without materially affecting contents of the current legislation.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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> My impression is that the board is in a state of denial, as doing GDPR properly would probably cost us billions. It may cost some money, but not that much by far. The reality is that in the long term, you'd save some as well by virtue of having clearer, cleaner and simpler processes.

> virtue of having clearer, cleaner and simpler processes. We are a large bank, most of our processes are decades old and are an impossible mess. For reference, we have a total of around 5000 systems running in the bank... Till GDPR and also some post-2008 regulation, I guess the strategy was to mostly accept the mess we're in (it's basically an absolutely extreme version of technical and organizational debt), with s…

There's no reason for a bank to be particularly impacted by GDPR. That makes no sense.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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>For example you think everyone else thinks the NHS is awesome, because left-wing journalists Or because 87% of Britons polled said that they are very proud of it. >you'd be shocked at how little support rail nationalisation would end up having. 56% in favor. 15% actively against. Majority support even by members of the party that was most against it. >The NHS is a socialist anachronism This is a popular view among i…

56% in favor. 15% actively against. Majority support even by members of the party that was most against it. When Cameron first called the referendum Remain was in the lead. When topics are debated thoroughly in the public sphere and serious campaigns are run, people's opinions can shift pretty dramatically. That's why politicians campaign. Nobody has ever spent time campaigning to keep railways privatised in the UK b…

I don't even have any stakes in this argument, but:

> All that poll says is that people tend to answer "proud" (whatever that's interpreted to mean) when asked about institutions which they frequently interact with and are rarely exposed to any criticism of.

You just wrote above:

> One day you'll talk to a Brit outside of that bubble and get a real shock to discover they aren't enamoured with the NHS at all.

> plenty of people would love to move to a more standard social insurance model

Probably should choose one: either people have an bad opinion of NHS, or they don't.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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> ...you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. If a model box only has "I consent" and "Learn more" buttons, then I don't consider clicking on "I consent" to mean freely given GDPR consent. Since it's the only reasonable way of viewing the website, and the GDPR doesn't permit a consent-wall, it's non-consent, and any use of my personal data following that event remains illegal. It's not a pr…

If there is a modal box I usually right click and get rid of the modal box with dev tools. That way I never gave any consent. Nowadays I have browser plugins that do that for me, but same idea. In any case I block cookies on all sites except for a few whitelisted ones so big "ha" to them if they think they can cookie me up. "Functional cookies" my ass. The sites work just fine without them.

Do you really think those websites actually check if you "gave consent" before tracking you?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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> 49 and younger voted remain getting more strongly remain as you go younger Yeah, but unfortunately only 64% of the under 35 year olds bothered to turn up, while in the older age groups the turnout was much higher (80% for 35-64, 89% for over 65). That was probably a result of many (including the polls) thinking that the "Leave" side didn't have a chance of winning, same as many US Democrat supporters (also supporte…

The vote was held the same day as Glastonbury, just after university terms ended. So the students (18-24) that could vote had to be: A) living with parents during studies, or registered to vote at parents place while not living there full time (illegal) — or! Live full time on their own, which is rarely and B) to not go to Glastonbury, one of the largest festivals in the UK for young adults.

Students are allowed to register at their home and term-time addresses.

https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register

> It’s sometimes possible to register at 2 addresses (though you can only vote once in any election).

> For example, if you’re a student with different home and term-time addresses, you may be able to register at both.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

I have never observed a non-techie do anything other than blindly click the call to action (i.e. agree to everything). The entire scheme seems sneakily designed to actually encourage users to give more and explicit consent, avoiding the situation where consent was a grey area. It seems to have been spun to a great extent.

My biggest annoyance lately is having to go set my cookie preferences on every. single. site. If only there was some sort of browser standard that I could set in the preferences there and sites would just obey it....

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

It's more like an 'Asianization' than an Americanization, hence the whole 'Singapore on the Thames' idea. It's adopting the business practices and regulations of the US and a very paternalistic, centralized state.

The US for all the lack of controls that citizens have over business at the very least has a very federalised (in the Euro sense of the term), distribution of power, whereas Britain is pretty much governed from London.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

> The privatisation of British rail has been a disaster Train company profits count for about 2% of the total cost of the ticket, and (pre covid) the network carried more than twice as many passengers as it was under BR - nearly 2 billion journeys a year vs a steady 800m in the 70s through 90s. in terms of distance, pax-km 1970 36b 1980 35b 1990 40b 1997 42b (end of BR) 2010 64b 2018 81b Since 1997 that's a 90% incre…

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Most of these companies wouldn't know how to make much use of the data anyway. My experience working with companies and analytics (even did an analytics startup some years back) is that they haven't a clue about how to actually use it and just heard that more data is somehow better. That to me sounds like they're most likely to sell the data, since they don't know how to use it themselves. Better these companies have…

In practice though with the GDPR, sites either just 403 everyone in the EU to avoid complying, or just shower you in javascript cookie notifications, making your browsing experience more bloated, slow and insecure.

How does it make it more insecure?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

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Because "socialism for the rich" as a term doesn't make any sense.
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