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UK to depart from GDPR

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by kmlx »

pydry wrote: post #97
CryptoPunk wrote: post #29

I hope the UK follows through with its 'Singapore-on-Thames' plan, which requiring losing regulatory harmonization with the EU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore-on-Thames

I was pretty disappointed after living three years in Singapore and witnessing the uglier underbelly of the country that the UK decided that's what it wanted to become almost as soon as I got home. Moreover, they don't want to copy any of the successes - e.g. their public housing system or strict "you WILL go to prison if you overcharge" price controls on medical care. They just want the tax haven, deregulation, an u…

> They just want the tax haven, deregulation,

no matter how much I like this idea, this will never happen in a European country unfortunately. there's just too much baggage of big state and other nonsense.

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Post by macinjosh »

james-bcn wrote: post #300
thu2111 wrote: post #296

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The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

I feel like I've lost a few brain cells reading that.

What a thoughtful response /s.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by years3500 »

thu2111 wrote: post #296
selfhoster11 wrote: post #250

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It's not inevitable, but the current government appears to move in that direction intentionally. - The EU exit was, among other things, accused of being a way to relax regulation and legislation to degrade product standards to a US-like level. Chlorinated chicken was a big item on everyone's discussion agenda a while back. This is now evidently happening. - The government is severely underfunding the NHS, despite pay…

The US is hardly some low regulation capitalist utopia. The US regulatory code is enormous. Plenty of self-proclaimed "Europeans" think it is, but in my experience they often know relatively little about the issues in question and are just parroting cultural talking points they picked up elsewhere. Indeed, you seem to admit that here, when you state that you got your views of what British people believe from your "ne…

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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dijit »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #304
gmac wrote: post #207

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OK, so the problem is that I find it basically impossible to understand how a well-informed and rational person could come to the conclusions you've come to. The EU isn't perfect, but you'll struggle to argue that it hasn't expanded peace, prosperity and human rights across the continent. This is motherhood-and-apple-pie stuff. Arguments in favour of Brexit thus tend to boil down to immigration and 'sovereignty'. The…

I voted remain but would vote leave if we were to ever have another referendum. The reason being is that it's clear to me now the direction that the EU is going in (removal of the nation state, EU army). Actually I think after seeing the vaccine rollout by the EU, many more Brits would vote to leave. It's interesting how events have turned out.

Generally, though, I’m less scared of continental armies that I’m a citizen of.

It’s the other continental armies (China, America, Russia) that worry me more.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by kmlx »

the lightest of articles based on a single quote.

we'll wait for the actual documents, but in the meantime:

1. does this mean no more cookie stuff, and no more "click here to accept" modals? if yes, then it's a huge win. years of useless clicking, and countless Mwh will be saved in the long run.

2. will this mean no more protections whatsoever? this is not so great imo, and sincerely impossible in today's world of Big Tech legislation (especially in the highly litigious Europe).

3. what about the right to forget? will they touch that part as well?

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dijit »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #308
gmac wrote: post #272

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> The UK is actually the exception to the growing hate and nationalism in Europe! Are you in the UK? I find this a rather peculiar view.

When was the last time you read about the BNP or Combat18? UKIP has gone. Where is the political party that is far right?

The conservatives have become much more right wing in recent years (recent being around 6 years) as the moderates are being removed and former UKIPpers are turning blue.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by dataduck »

orwin wrote: post #364
dataduck wrote: post #156

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Come on, that's not fair. The EEC was a very different beast to today's EU. The modern form of the EU could certainly be argued as starting with the Treaty of Lisbon.

Maastrich yes, Lisbon? It only set into laws stuff that were already existing and done, as well as provisioning for "unexpected stuff" (brexit art 50 was provisioned in the treaty of lisbon i think). But the treaty of Lisbon changed almost nothing in reality. At least, not enough to warrant the birth of "Modern EU"

Perhaps Maastricht might be a better place to draw the line. But it's not like the changes at Lisbon were trivial; for example, changing unanimous voting to majority was a qualitative change in the character of the organization. My argument is that the GP by lanevorockz was pretty obviously referring to Lisbon, and that the reply by HugoDaniel seemed quite disingenuous in that light.

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Post by dheera »

rlpb wrote: post #383
lanevorockz wrote: post #365

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This is an illusion, only thing that happened is that you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. I love the ignorance of people over here thinking that GDPR is nothing more than just that accept button that people click in order to get access to the websites.

> ...you only get access to websites if you give away your GDPR consent. If a model box only has "I consent" and "Learn more" buttons, then I don't consider clicking on "I consent" to mean freely given GDPR consent. Since it's the only reasonable way of viewing the website, and the GDPR doesn't permit a consent-wall, it's non-consent, and any use of my personal data following that event remains illegal. It's not a pr…

If there is a modal box I usually right click and get rid of the modal box with dev tools.

That way I never gave any consent.

Nowadays I have browser plugins that do that for me, but same idea.

In any case I block cookies on all sites except for a few whitelisted ones so big "ha" to them if they think they can cookie me up. "Functional cookies" my ass. The sites work just fine without them.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by rsynnott »

Nursie wrote: post #276
Chmouel wrote: post #235

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As someone who was doing the other way around (hey dan!) working in australia coming from france i always find it weird how australian could accepts almost everything from the government with not much contestation, I remember when there was a law who passed thru in Australia where every small company could fire anyone on the day (it wasn't the case before, i think there was a 3 month period or something). The law pas…

Honestly I think France is somewhat exceptional there, with the rioting for workers rights. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it does seem unusually French. From what I can tell the workers rights situation in France really does dissuade some companies from setting up there.

I mean, France is possibly an extreme case here, but in most developed countries this would be pretty unthinkable (assuming it really is a law that just allows small businesses fire people without notice in normal circumstances; firing people without notice for gross misconduct or due to liquidation is generally allowed, though in the liquidation case the employees would then usually be creditors for the notice pay that should have been paid in most places).
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