Hmm the one thing I'm kinda missing with grapheneos is mobile payments. The banks here in Europe used to have their own nfc apps but in my country they've all moved to Google wallet :( or Samsung pay. I don't want Google monitoring my payments so I'm using Samsung now but I'd love to have something more open for this. I was kinda hoping the partner would be Samsung so they might collaborate on a payment system too. I…
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#452If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.
This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…
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>Contactless payments already work on GrapheneOS via Curve Pay Are you sure about this? It was my understanding that NFC passes for gyms and stuff worked, but that if you want to pay for something with Google or Curve, you're shit outta luck
> Are you sure about this? It was my understanding that NFC passes for gyms and stuff worked This is only true for Google Wallet. It can be used as a normal wallet app for stuff like plane tickets, etc., but Google Pay requires the OS to be specifically whitelisted by Google. This is an incredibly anti-competitive move aimed at supporting Google's monopoly by deliberately disabling functionality on alternative (inclu…
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And the radio firmware. From a phone by a Chinese company. Unless GrapheneOS handles the radio firmware, not really interested.
What's the difference compared to a phone with a radio firmware by a US company? In both cases it's something closed and the government has shown overreach. (Yes, China a lot more than the US, but still ... things are not looking good a the moment. And I have no more trust, even if the political direction changes for a presidency period or two.) But yes, ultimately we want open source firmware. Still, then there coul…
And there are indeed issues.
Yet these issues are perhaps 1 foot high, and the issues with China and PRC's interference in domestic corporations, reaches to the moon.
There's literally no comparison. Even now.
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The original Google Nexus program showed that there is a market for more open phones and platforms. I don't disagree with you that in order to sell, these devices need to be somewhat appealing to more than just devs. However, I will say that the dev market isn't as small as it once was. A decent phone with an open platform would be something a lot of devs would likely prioritize buying. It won't be the next Iphone, b…
Agree with you on the foldables. God, no one wants that. That's why they have to pitch it as some luxury product the masses can't afford. I hate those creases too. No one can convince me those things are durable...no matter how many marketing videos they make.
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Other than flip/niche phones, phones appear to have plateaued. IF you offer someone a phone with similar specs to others, yet much, much more private - many would go for that.
How many is many? Fairly sure hardware development is very hard and expensive. Are we talking about 1 million people worldwide (peanuts, will probably not recover the investment) or 50 million worldwide (might be worth it)?
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What are donations being spent on, who makes those decisions, what's the roadmap, what's up with MobileCoin, why the hell do they put so much trust into Intel SGX when there are so many known vulnerabilities, … I've been a Signal/TextSecure user since day one and have convinced many dozens of people to switch to Signal but, man, they don't exactly make it easy to be a fan.
Isn't their CEO well known?
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#458https://easytechsolver.com/who-is-lenovo-owned-by/ https://www.kamilfranek.com/who-owns-lenovo-largest-sharehol...
How did we end up touting privacy features while at the same time celebrating the acquisition of this company by a business backed by a state obsessed with censorship and surveillance?
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#459Alas that in the US it is seemingly impossible to get unlocked bootloaders now. I'm trying to figure out what couple-year-old international phone to buy now. Good on Motorola. Incredibly smart to tap these passionate geniuses.
Really? That seems odd, where are you looking? Through your Carrier or just for unlocked devices? Depending on who you're with, usually you can just grab an unlocked device and your Carrier to register the device. I've only ever used Google Fi and AT&T though I'm not sure about the others. Searching duckduckgo for 'Unlocked {device}' returns a lot of results on the shopping tab for phones on Amazon and eBay like the…
But Samsung hasn't allowed unlocking the bootloader on their phones for many years. And they are far far from the only ones in that state.
You basically have to research each specific phone far ahead of time. And beware! Because there's, for example, lots of guides telling you how to unlock my S22 phone. But as of ~2023 Samsung now blocks all those previous exploits that the unlocked software used to use.
It's a mess and a half.
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At the moment this model: https://www.hotwav.com/products/hotwav-hyper-8-ultra-rugged-... with a modified Android based on LineageOS. Connects to the world using GSM and radio using satellites throught https://geogram.radio
So your solution is using a dropshipped phone from a sketchy no-name Chinese company?
You are arguing for absolute privacy, I am arguing for _more_ privacy than adopting well-known spyware devices.
There is a difference.