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Post by akudha »

scrubs wrote: post #378
kreyenborgi wrote: post #371

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We care about your privacy

The best lies are corporate lies. And those lies are said plainly, calmly, and with a sense not of conviction but rather it it's not a serious claim because it was always a true statement ... just repeating it now. They are also uttered on TV, in public talks and to a far lesser extent in court. Court is a formal process. Outside it's not. There's a big difference.

“Discounts upto 50%” - shopper finds out one product (that nobody wants) out of 1000 has a discount of 50%, everything else has like 5%.

But the statement itself is technically not a lie, they did say “upto”, lol. That is how corporate speak works

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by sneak »

perihelions wrote: post #100
Saris wrote: post #9

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If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

Meta can also just lie about it. If they were secretly granting backdoor root access to some NSA spooks, like Microsoft did with PRISM or AT&T did with 641A, most likely no one would find out, so, there'd be zero actual downside to simply lying.

It’s not secret anymore, it’s FAA702 (aka PRISM), and you can bet they are complying with FISA orders.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by fakedang »

Aloisius wrote: post #90
fakedang wrote: post #33

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LoL exactly what I thought. Persians are extremely proud of being NOT tribal, unlike their Azeri, Afghani, Turkmeni or Tajik neighbours. Most Persians consider themselves proud inheritors of the Achaemenid and Sassanid Empires.

There are in fact tribes of Turkmen, Shahsevan, Lurs, Qashqai and various Kurds in Iran.

Yes, but overall the culture is not tribal, even amongst the Azeris of Iran (who were traditionally the largest tribal group in Iran). Within Iran, they see themselves along ethnic lines.

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Post by noworriesnate »

mousethatroared wrote: post #431
ngruhn wrote: post #415

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so you think they're not trying to get a nuke?

I thought I implied that I don't care.

The obvious solution is to get Israel to give up nukes in exchange for Iran stopping its nuclear program. I think that would everyone happy except the Israelis who want to murder people without repercussion.

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Post by RajT88 »

mgraczyk wrote: post #407
consumer451 wrote: post #350

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Ha. This is why the best lawyers in the world work for these people. Over drinks, when I brought up some of the blatant dark patterns in the ad market, someone who worked at one of the biggest companies in the world responded to me bluntly: "yeah, sure, but have we ever lost a case in court over click fraud? No, we have not."

Dark patterns aren't lies though... And you're not even talking about Meta

I would classify their "oops we reset your privacy settings accidentally again" as a lie. Granted this was a common occurrence in the 2000's, and not so much the last 15 years.

The privacy settings also did not obviously do what their wording suggested - accidental over-sharing was their goal, and the wording was carefully crafted to deceive and confuse. Is that lying? It's a technical argument, and not really relevant - they are shady AF and always have been.

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Post by noworriesnate »

whodidntante wrote: post #235
gspencley wrote: post #41

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> Why are we toppling all these foreign governments I don't want to speak to the other foreign governments, and I think there is a LOT of room for healthy criticism of how the USA handles its foreign policy, past & present. But to answer the question directly with respects to Iran, specifically: the leadership has been repeatedly chanting "Death To America" for its 45 year history and have been actively trying to dev…

My only quibble with what you said is that this war was started by Iran on 10/7/23. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc - these were all part of the self proclaimed "Axis of Resistance". People may disagree on the ethics of who is the "right" side, if the war was fought "fairly" and according to the "ethics of war", but you would have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to believe that Hamas and Hezbollah and Houthis were no…

What makes you think Israel is capable of having a decent relationship with its neighbors? They never have before. And they have no need to have a decent relationship because they have the US giving them enormous amounts of money and weapons.

I think the best way to fix Israel is to bring in refugees from an unrelated conflict, like Sudan, and once the Sudanese have a significant minority then Israeli politics won’t be ethnofascist anymore.

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Post by pcthrowaway »

gerash wrote: post #412
msgodel wrote: post #69

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It seems like an infinite pit we throw money and lives into only to make things worse.

what even is the point other than "the Israel lobby said so"? Creating "liberal democracies" is certainly not it or else an ISIS mercenary wouldn't have been installed in place of Bashar al asad? US itself is not a representative democracy either.

Well there is oil there too

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Post by ben_w »

gspencley wrote: post #41
msgodel wrote: post #13

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Why are we toppling all these foreign governments and creating instability that breads terrorism in places that otherwise have nothing to do with us? This seems so exceptionally counter productive.

> Why are we toppling all these foreign governments I don't want to speak to the other foreign governments, and I think there is a LOT of room for healthy criticism of how the USA handles its foreign policy, past & present. But to answer the question directly with respects to Iran, specifically: the leadership has been repeatedly chanting "Death To America" for its 45 year history and have been actively trying to dev…

> It calls Israel the "Little Satan" and America the "Big Satan."

Just to add to this, I briefly worked with an Iranian and asked him if this was serious or a mistranslation*, and he confirmed that it was totally serious.

* the etymology of "satan" ultimately being Hebrew שָׂטָן (satán, “adversary, accuser”: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/שטן#Hebrew), and both Israel and the USA are definitely adversaries of Iran

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Post by keybored »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #278
worik wrote: post #253

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> Saddam Hussain was a genocidal, fascist lunatic. Yes. > The world is certainly a better place with him gone. Even if America didn't handle the subsequent occupation too well, i would argue (and you are free to disagree) that Iraq was still better off. That is mad talk. Things have been much worse, so much worse for almost everyone in and around Iraq since that war. ISIS for one thing, was a direct result of the per…

It's like saying that russia is worse off after the collapse of communism and attributing that to capitalism.

Yes it was. Living standards went down and oligarchs plundered the state.
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