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Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

I think group messages would still be considered personal. It would only be messages you send to a business or in a group with a business that wouldn't be personal.

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All the major social media and messaging platforms are compromised and serve as tools for surveillance, so the Iranian government isn't wrong.

Iraq and Gaza was an absolute joke compared to what it would take to topple the Iranian militants, militias, and government. Much of the terrain is similar to Afghanistan. Tribal islamic alliances are resilient against loss of central governance. There is a massive porous mountainous border to 2+ countries that conceivably will look the other way for certain islamic militants. I know everyone wants to gobble down the…

> Iraq and Gaza was an absolute joke compared to what it would take to topple the Iranian militants, militias, and government

It wouldn't be a cake walk. But America could topple the government in Tehran about as easily as it did in Baghdad or, frankly, Kabul. The problem in Iraq and Afghanistan wasn't a failure to decapitate the opposing state. It was in filling the vacuum that left.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iraq and Gaza was an absolute joke compared to what it would take to topple the Iranian militants, militias, and government. Much of the terrain is similar to Afghanistan. Tribal islamic alliances are resilient against loss of central governance. There is a massive porous mountainous border to 2+ countries that conceivably will look the other way for certain islamic militants. I know everyone wants to gobble down the…

> Iraq and Gaza was an absolute joke compared to what it would take to topple the Iranian militants, militias, and government It wouldn't be a cake walk. But America could topple the government in Tehran about as easily as it did in Baghdad or, frankly, Kabul. The problem in Iraq and Afghanistan wasn't a failure to decapitate the opposing state. It was in filling the vacuum that left.

Why are we toppling all these foreign governments and creating instability that breads terrorism in places that otherwise have nothing to do with us?

This seems so exceptionally counter productive.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Anyone in Iran that can comment on this? What are citizens there thinking about WhatsApp?

I don't know but they have local alternatives, the iranians have a bridge protocol that federates several services:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Exchange_Bus

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I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

They don't need meta's cooperation for this, they can burn one of their 0-click 0-day exploits and target everyone they need to.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

I think group messages would still be considered personal. It would only be messages you send to a business or in a group with a business that wouldn't be personal.

They're under the CLOUD Act, doesn't matter what their policies say.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

I wonder if the people of Iraq have an intuitive understanding of just how much more useful the information Facebook does track is like we do.
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