All the major social media and messaging platforms are compromised and serve as tools for surveillance, so the Iranian government isn't wrong.
Source:
FISA, Room 641A, Patriot Act.
Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices
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> Iraq and Gaza was an absolute joke compared to what it would take to topple the Iranian militants, militias, and government It wouldn't be a cake walk. But America could topple the government in Tehran about as easily as it did in Baghdad or, frankly, Kabul. The problem in Iraq and Afghanistan wasn't a failure to decapitate the opposing state. It was in filling the vacuum that left.
Why are we toppling all these foreign governments and creating instability that breads terrorism in places that otherwise have nothing to do with us? This seems so exceptionally counter productive.
Because 1) America won’t allow nations near Israel to be successful, it’s too much of a threat to our greatest ally and 2) war is incredibly profitable.
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Iraq and Gaza was an absolute joke compared to what it would take to topple the Iranian militants, militias, and government. Much of the terrain is similar to Afghanistan. Tribal islamic alliances are resilient against loss of central governance. There is a massive porous mountainous border to 2+ countries that conceivably will look the other way for certain islamic militants. I know everyone wants to gobble down the…
Tribal?
LoL exactly what I thought. Persians are extremely proud of being NOT tribal, unlike their Azeri, Afghani, Turkmeni or Tajik neighbours. Most Persians consider themselves proud inheritors of the Achaemenid and Sassanid Empires.
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I don't know but they have local alternatives, the iranians have a bridge protocol that federates several services: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Exchange_Bus
I’m guessing there’s no encryption?
If you want actual security, don't use a phone and run your own server, likely Matrix.
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#35All the major social media and messaging platforms are compromised and serve as tools for surveillance, so the Iranian government isn't wrong.
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The Snowden leaks revealed the PRISM program, whereby major tech companies like Facebook, Apple etc all collaborate with the US government. No reason to believe that's still not in place.
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#37I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”
They don't need meta's cooperation for this, they can burn one of their 0-click 0-day exploits and target everyone they need to.
Additionally the NSA has all Meta and WhatsApp servers directly tapped and can just harvest data, oops i mean 'meta data', that way. Then just pass that info to Israel when their internal systems get an alert on good intel.
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I’m guessing there’s no encryption?
If you want actual security, don't use a phone and run your own server, likely Matrix.
Security strength is not a binary measure, there are many levels of security between "no encryption at all" to "run your own server".
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#39WhatsApp is already banned in Iran. It's difficult to see this as anything but another attempt by them to gain control over private communications involving their own people.
To me, the most interesting thing about this conflict is the side-choosing of the other nations, because that reveals what kind of games they're playing.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Iraq and Gaza was an absolute joke compared to what it would take to topple the Iranian militants, militias, and government. Much of the terrain is similar to Afghanistan. Tribal islamic alliances are resilient against loss of central governance. There is a massive porous mountainous border to 2+ countries that conceivably will look the other way for certain islamic militants. I know everyone wants to gobble down the…
> Iraq and Gaza was an absolute joke compared to what it would take to topple the Iranian militants, militias, and government It wouldn't be a cake walk. But America could topple the government in Tehran about as easily as it did in Baghdad or, frankly, Kabul. The problem in Iraq and Afghanistan wasn't a failure to decapitate the opposing state. It was in filling the vacuum that left.
America really can't afford this right now. We spent _trillions_ on the last middle east operation.