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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Commercial airlines apparently experience crashes at a rate of 6 per 100,000,000 flights. I wasn't able to find a figure from the testimony as to how many craft are claimed to have been recovered. The best I could find was an anonymous quote from a Vox article of 12+. Applying the commercial airline stat to 12 crashes over 80 years results in almost 7,000 alien flights per day (just over the US). There are 25,000 fli…

Your logic is based on the assumption that those alien crafts were intending to come to Earth. Perhaps they were intending to go somewhere else, and crashed into Earth mistakenly? Then the volume of total flights could be much larger, and the proportion of crashes could be much smaller.

So instead of thousands of craft flying daily over the US, there are potentially millions commuting past Earth? And those crashes still happen despite an abundance of help nearby?

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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I'm asking if alien craft are a safer method of transport than air liners. Alternatively, if we replaced air liners with these craft, would fewer people die? If they are safer then the sky should be flooded with them to result in 12 crashes so far. This doesn't seem to be the case so there must instead be a smaller number of more dangerous craft to result in 12 crashes. So either the sky is flooded with invisible ali…

Or maybe it's better to compare to personal modes of traffic and not airliners?

I mean sure. Cars, for example, are significantly more dangerous than airliners and people crash all the time. But if alien craft are as safe as cars then that just leads back to my original point that airliners are better at traveling safely through our atmosphere than physics-defying alien craft.

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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What are the chances that such alien bodies are only detected over US soil?

The US landmass (9.834.000 km²) is exactly 1.93% of the earth landmass (510.100.000 km²), and we can assume everybody can see the differences.

I call it bullshit

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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And you know this for a fact because?

Because aliens would not go to the unbelievable effort of traveling between the stars and then carefully hide from detection on a planet brimming with human activity, somehow knowing how to make themselves invisible, and yet still being here for some reason. The concept of "anonymous" alien visitation is self evidently silly. But also, the concept of traveling between the stars is also so unlikely as to be effectivel…

> Because aliens would not go to the unbelievable effort of traveling between the stars and then carefully hide from detection on a planet brimming with human activity, somehow knowing how to make themselves invisible, and yet still being here for some reason.

Why not? Walk me through your logic.

> The concept of "anonymous" alien visitation is self evidently silly.

I don't see the self-evident silliness. Can you explain?

> But also, the concept of traveling between the stars is also so unlikely as to be effectively impossible. If you don't agree, then you don't really grasp the distance to the stars.

Or if I don't agree I just don't assume that the only way to travel interstellar distances are rockets. We are slowly discovering alternative approaches that don't require incredible amounts of energy. How do you already know 100% they won't work out? Could you share your time machine with me?

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…

> we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already

imo most likely is they exist, but space is just so unimaginable huge, and also Aliens can at most go close to lightspeed. They didn't beat physics nor invented portals / wormholes?

> They should be here already.

Least likely for me out of the three options.. just our tinfoil hat love :)

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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not sure I agree, the universe could go on to be hundreds of billions or trillions of years old, against which 13 (or maybe 26) billion years is really the same scale as the first humans venturing out of Africa just a few tens of millenia ago.

The universe potentially getting really old doesn't make it more likely for us to be the first. It is incredibly unlikely.

We don't need to be the first, we just need to be the first to survive and figure out some practical method of space travel. Space travel may even prove to be impossible for us.

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…

It's convenient that he doesn't have first hand knowledge because that gives him an out when people ask for proof. Which there is none.

He still works for intelligence, obviously. Aliens and UFOs are a well-known and obvious cover story for experimental aircraft. It's his job to spread this story.

Note that I'm not suggesting most things people claim to be UFOs are actually experimental aircraft. A few may be. But often it's a hoax, a piece of dust, an ordinary aircraft, a weather balloon, an artifact of extreme zoom, etc.

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public. Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.

They are not putting their career on the line. They are doing their jobs.

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>...ask if he is credible It would not matter if the most credible source alive said it, I would still ask this question: if what they are saying is true, then it's possible to prove it without needing to take what they or anyone else says on faith alone. If you remove what he or people in general from the question, to date I have not found the evidence in support of extraterrestrial visitation of earth very convinci…

You're right to be skeptical of his claims. At the very least, you should support Congress investigating this issue. Because either there are some crazy people with access to the most sensitive state secrets we own, or they are telling the truth and there's been a major coverup for the last 90 years hiding non-human intelligence visiting this planet from elsewhere, and there's technology far beyond what we have creat…

Another possible motivation may be that he doesn't believe that any of this is actually alien technology at all, and that it is in fact a skunk works program he either has stumbled into via some side channel, (and therefore doesn't have direct access to materials that with substantiate his testimony), or he may even know exactly what all this stuff is but can't speak frankly about it because it is protected by top secret protocols that trigger his immediate sanction if abridged, cutting off his only means to publicize them further.

In either of these cases if he has decided that these programs are an existential danger to the world and need to be discussed, one way to out maneuver both of the above constraints is to pose as someone who believes they have been convinced the government is concealing "alien" technology, and can use his credentials to push the story farther than any civilian could. He has found that this tactic has given him access to people he otherwise couldn't reach (outside the limited context of his position/rank etc.)

tl;dr talking candidly about actual top secret research because he suspects it may constitute an existential threat to humanity if it is developed much further (similar to some early physicists' speculation that testing the H bomb could trigger the earth's atmosphere to burn up as well), that could get him in serious trouble very quickly because he's clearly crossing a line that has been clearly drawn around that information. But revealing it in terms of alien tech, he'll either get dismissed as a crank after his 15 minutrs are up, or he'll have gained access to high ranking civilian legislators long enough (with whom he can discuss the actual details directly in private), until he can find enough sympathetic ears that he feels safe to dispense with the "omg alien tech" camouflage.

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