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The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Post by cma »

yomlica8 wrote: post #208
rebeccaskinner wrote: post #103

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Unfortunately, ad revenue is a poisoned well. Even if you are paying for the ad-free tier, you will be limited to content that was developed with a mind toward advertisements. Once you serve any ads, everything is under pressure to be optimized for ads. Even if you don't mind the changes to the content, there's a constant pressure driving up costs and driving down convenience to continue avoiding ads. If you're payin…

I'm sure they sell your usage data even if you pay to opt out of ads as well so it isn't like you've even completely escaped by paying to start with.

It was already full of ads via product placement.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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andreygrehov wrote: post #82
croes wrote: post #73

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He also threatened to "thermonuclear name and shame" advertisers who paused spending. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-name-shame-adverti...

That was a sarcasm. I should have stated that he doesn't care as much as other companies. Elon, being the richest person on the planet, is uniquely positioned and has a competitive advantage. He can risk losing ad revenue to achieve his goals - minimize censorship and create a super-app.

"Whoever thought owning the libs would be cheap never tried owning a social media company"

https://i.redd.it/6m0sgmktewab1.jpg

Yeah, sounds super focused on free speech.

And Threads censored from Twitter search and before that Mastodon?

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Post by midoridensha »

carlosjobim wrote: post #189
midoridensha wrote: post #87

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Why aren't you using an ad-blocker?

You can't block Facebook and Instagram ads.

You can't? The rare times I look on Facebook, I don't see any ads.

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Post by carlosjobim »

midoridensha wrote: post #453
carlosjobim wrote: post #189

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You can't block Facebook and Instagram ads.

You can't? The rare times I look on Facebook, I don't see any ads.

Please let me know what's your setup. On macOS and iOS, those are the only two that are defeating all my ad-blockers.

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Post by flagrant_taco »

JohnFen wrote: post #341
flagrant_taco wrote: post #293

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It's worth noting that a decent portion of the value/products generated by by the fossil fuels industry isn't gasoline or diesel. Tons of products are made with byproducts from the refining process, much of the research done by these companies over the last century was focused on inventing new products and creating markets to sell them to. Replacing transportation use of fossil fuels with renewables doesn't actually…

> Tons of products are made with byproducts from the refining process Fun fact: Gasoline only became the fuel for cars because it was a refinery byproduct that had no real economic value, and so was very cheap. Before that, cars ran on alcohol or electricity, but oil refining was still a pretty large business anyway. If we stopped fueling cars with gas, refineries would still operate to provide all of the other produ…

Having worked for the upstream research arm of a major US oil company, I can confidently say this is no longer the case regardless of what the industry may have looked like when Esso was still a business.

Modern oil companies are extremely proud of the additional revenue streams they have invested to consume oil byproducts. The most disgusting of which, in my opinion, was the humble bragging that Hershey's chocolate includes petroleum products in the chocolate bars.

If we stopped consuming oil for gasoline today massive industries would collapse, both due to the loss of byproduct inputs and the transportation required to move products across the country. It wouldn't be the world returning back to a nineteenth century era where trains all ran on coal and lamps were fueled by whale blubber.

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Post by flagrant_taco »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #329
flagrant_taco wrote: post #291

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There are all kinds of reasons for professional investors to be in a position when they need an investment to double in the short term. Sometimes thats greed, other times it's to cover existing bets that are losing and could cause their entire fund to collapse. Say, for example, a certain bank where to listen to the Fed and invest massive piles of cash deposited after currency debasement into federal notes and bonds.…

So I understand there is a lot of nuance in this space, but: > other times it's to cover existing bets This is my issue. Our economy has become a casino for these professional investment firms with lots of capital to try to strike it rich. This is not a healthy way to run a system that determines who lives or dies in a big picture sense. The economy has become a game for people with connections. It no longer matters…

Well I completely agree here, constant steady growth is a terrible, unsustainable model. There's no way around it, eventually we'll either fail or have to adjust course and give up on this idea that we can continue to consume more raw materials to create a steady growth of output value.

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Post by ztrww »

rstuart4133 wrote: post #169
makeitdouble wrote: post #25

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What examples of ad based rising companies do you see ? My first thought was Google, and it's started to plateau in the recent years: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/rev... . Meta also took a dive, and while it was from a sharp turn of the business focus, I'd argue it comes from an attempt to avoid staying on a stagnating market.

You typically won't see rising ad revenues during a recession. When times are hard, or look like they could get hard, advertising is the first thing cut. Its a well established pattern. Eg, from https://www.createwithnova.com/blog/the-history-of-advertisi... : > After the last recession in 2008, the US ad market declined by 13%. Newspaper ad spend fell 27%, radio spend 22%, magazine spend 18%, outdoor spend 11%, TV s…

But nominal growth is huge unlike back in 2008/9, most of that is eaten by inflation but it should still result in meaningful revenue growth in many sectors.
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