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The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Good lord, no. "Excess value" is a frankly pants-on-head stupid notion that should have died in the 19th century. It assumes businesses should operate with not only zero profit but zero margin for expenses or growth. It is beyond stupid and I find it unbelievable that there are so many followers who really should know better on several level.

Conversely, profit now is less used for expenses or growth, and redirected to stock buy-backs and shareholders. Excess value is real, measured not from the margin, or even money that goes back into the org, but value that is 100% extracted from the organization, often at the detriment of the org for the sake of shareholders. Its very often just parasitic. People are so entitled now, "nooo i need my investments double…

There are all kinds of reasons for professional investors to be in a position when they need an investment to double in the short term. Sometimes thats greed, other times it's to cover existing bets that are losing and could cause their entire fund to collapse.

Say, for example, a certain bank where to listen to the Fed and invest massive piles of cash deposited after currency debasement into federal notes and bonds. If those notes where purchased when the story was interest would remain zero only to face 4-6% interest months later, the investor could well need a quick win to dig out from those now toxic assets that can't be sold at face value.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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His two examples are Twitter and Reddit whose ad revenue is dying because those two companies have made huge blunders. Elon seems to almost actively be killing Twitter (which the poster even states). Reddit screwed Apollo and then many of the most popular subreddits protested and did things like show porn on otherwise usually SFW content to prevent Reddit from showing ads and thus killing their profits. Those are big…

Even when not making blunders reddit has not yet been profitable.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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The YouTube channel Second Thought recently put out a video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSzzuY1Yw0 ) whose thesis was that even being cheaper than fossil fuels is not / will not be enough for green energy to win, because under capitalism a cheap thing that also has low profit margin will not attract investment compared to a bit more expensive thing which can be exploited for more profit. I wonder if a similar…

That video makes no sense. If renewables are cheaper, then fossil fuels have even worse margins. The video claims for some reason that fossil fuels are "more exploitable" and more profitable, but assuming you're baking storage into cost, a lot of energy is fungible. Furthermore, solar can easily be installed on prem and many energy users have plenty of unused roof space, so even if all energy providers conspired to k…

It's worth noting that a decent portion of the value/products generated by by the fossil fuels industry isn't gasoline or diesel.

Tons of products are made with byproducts from the refining process, much of the research done by these companies over the last century was focused on inventing new products and creating markets to sell them to.

Replacing transportation use of fossil fuels with renewables doesn't actually replace all of the profits in the fossil fuel industry, and doesn't explain how those products we've now grown to expect will be created if we aren't refining oil for gasoline and diesel.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Why should we be rooting for his success ? Why would I want to live in a world where "a superapp" is needed? Why would I want to live in a world where you have one company in control of the "town square"? Personally, I just wanted Twitter to fail because I think that any ad-funded business is bad for us. But if you tell me that Elon's long term game is to make it something even more dystopian than it ever was , then…

> Why should we be rooting for his success? Rooting for someone's success is not about personal preferences or endorsing their actions. It's about fostering a positive and supportive environment that encourages growth and achievement. > Why would I want to live in a world where "a superapp" is needed? Super-apps already exist in other markets. Entrepreneurs want to create ones in the US market to foster the diversity…

> It's about fostering a positive and supportive environment that encourages growth and achievement.

That honestly sounds more like the goal for an elementary school class than the goal for an adult society.

We don't necessarily need to support and encourage development that we don't agree worth, or even see as dangerous. And the idea that growth and achievement are always good things and should be wholly supported and encouraged sounds lovely on the surface, but there are plenty of things that could be considered achievement that we are better off without.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I don’t think Ayn Rand gave up on humanity at all. Just the worthless nonsense and the people endlessly consume it.

Aynd Rand criticized the welfare state and then went on welfare. She was a complete fraud.

In this critical scenario, are you saying welfare shouldn’t exist or that only believe who are unquestioning of a system are allowed to use it? I don’t think you are making the point you think you are.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I mean it already died in my point of view approximately a decade ago, where a significant portion of internet users were using adBlockers for everything, and its usage has only gotten bigger now. The only place where ads are thriving right now is mobile, and companies had gone over the line from the get-go with obnoxious and intrusive/misleading ads and spyware. It may thrive for a while before the blockers make the…

> where a significant portion of internet users were using adBlockers for everything

Just looking up online, the number of US internet users who block ads hovers at around 27% in last few years. That's not significant enough.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I agree with recent TWiT discussion on this : we've had it good for a while - the promise of free internet but all those services cost money to keep running. I don't have an issue with paying Youtube Premium Lite. Where I have an issue with the subs model is you're pay subs to so many services, YT Netflix Twitch, etc. It adds up pretty quickly, and costs way more than traditional TV used to cost. Then there's the iss…

> It adds up pretty quickly, and costs way more than traditional TV used to cost. I have trouble understanding this complaint. There's way more content than ever before; why wouldn't it be more expensive to get everything? You don't have to subscribe to it all, but the ability to pick and choose providers a la carte, as well as cycle subscriptions on and off seems like a huge win to consumers.

Production values for TV shows have quite gotten out of hand. I like it, but that’s a lot of advertising or fees to pay for those.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I don't want to top up, I just want to be charged directly. Also "Which sites are using Axate?", I don't recognize any of the sites on that list.

I don't think it will ever be feasible to be charged directly, transaction fees are just way too high (and it's only marginally better on the crypto side). A postpaid system would work I suppose, ie you pay your total at the end of the month. But postpaid usually involves a credit check (in north america at least), so prepaid is really the only universal option.

A bigger problem with paying directly is taxes. Sales taxes and VAT for online sales are often required to be collected by the seller for the buyer’s jurisdiction. If you sell your online content directly to consumers you potentially have to deal with taxes in hundreds of different jurisdictions.

Going through third parties can make it so they are the ones that handle the tax nightmare.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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I think this is really what we're seeing now. One can suggest that recent decisions were "blunders" due to the problems they have encountered, but maybe there just was no path forward for them simply because there's not much value to be extracted from this business. Now we just see the entire house of cards collapsing around them.

There were many obviously lucrative paths Reddit could have taken. They have incredible amounts of data on users who self-select their own interests. They were making money selling subscriptions even. They could have monetized all sorts of things in non-annoying ways, like secret santa (pay to verify users or have direct anonymous shipping?), subreddit sponsorships (want to own /r/steam, Valve pays for it), etc. Inst…

> Reddit is an example of what happens when you put people in charge of a business who are both greedy and stupid.

No, it's what happens when your investors are VCs who need to 10x on their wins because most of their investments fail. As a result, stable, long-term profitability isn't the goal; big IPOs are, or at least explosive growth. There's no room for a company which is moderately successful when VCs are involved.

Re: The ad-based internet is dying, and it's getting worse in the process [video]

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Good. The internet was really fun before the ads and monetization came. We had forums and personal web sites. Weird blogs everywhere you looked. Some semblance of anonymity. A sense of community that wasn't about growing a following.

I highly doubt the kind of people making weird anonymous blogs then are now instagram influencers trying to grow their following
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