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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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madars wrote: post #328
SebastianKra wrote: post #305

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Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

Don't forget making SMS in unreadable neon green (to the point that it violates Apple's own accessibility guidelines https://archive.is/4nSWV ) "iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove [an] obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones" -- an actual quote from the SVP of Software Engineering in charge of iOS, revealed in Epic Games v Apple court discovery https://storage.courtlistener.com/reca…

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by hospitalJail »

acdha wrote: post #245
hospitalJail wrote: post #140

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>Some users like iPhones since they are reliable and consistent, exactly like a phone should be. That is just the bare minimum. Its 2023, every phone is like this. Anyway, any teenager can tell you what its like to have the wrong kind of bubbles. They are extremely susceptible to in-group bias. Heck I wore Abercrombie and American Eagle, it wasn't because the clothes fit. I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently g…

> I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". He took it to heart. Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way. People do the same thing about cars, shoes, clothing, alcohol, zip codes, etc. The only upside is that it lets you very quickly identify and avoid them. In the messaging case, it’s i…

>Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way.

Oh yeah its not a Apple thing, its a human thing.

Apple takes advantage of that weakness in humans and reinforces it with their marketing. I personally don't have the ethics to take advantage of people who are class insecure, but Apple stepped up in the tech space.

Anyway, the original point was that Apple gives less freedom and its fine because they sell a social club, not necessarily the ability to compute. If they aren't selling a social club, they are doing a poor job at letting people compute.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by scarface_74 »

Eduard wrote: post #348
codetrotter wrote: post #324

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Google seems just as bad tbh. The only browser I have installed on my phone is Safari but when I click links in YouTube it always asks which browser I want to open the link in. Safari or Chrome. No I don’t want to install your shit browser on my phone Google. Kindly frick off.

> Google seems just as bad tbh. It is a difference for Google to advertise their browser on their properties (eg Youtube) versus Apple hijacking the search bar of some other browser, and in general not allowing third parties to provide full browsers in the Apple App Store (and not just a shim which mandatorily has to use Safari behind the curtains)

And Google also hijacks its own search bar when all I want is “10 blue links”.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by scarface_74 »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #325
SebastianKra wrote: post #305

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Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

Many of the Apple-related concerns fall squarely within the definitions of anti-trust laws. The problem isn't that Apple toes the line so much as no one cares to enforce the line.

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Post by scarface_74 »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #425
basch wrote: post #388

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Battery throttling doesn’t fit the rest of these. Preventing a device reboot is pro consumer.

Shipping a device that will overheat and reboot when the device is a couple years old and fixing it by silently throttling the device isn't pro consumer either Those devices really should have been recalled or offered a generous trade-in value to account for the fundamental design flaw

Have you found a new battery technology where that is mid the case?

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Post by dahwolf »

At least old Microsoft tried to hide or wash away their anti-consumer anti-competitive behavior. New Microsoft proudly announces it.

And this reflects on other tech giants. They understand that they're in an era of near-zero regulation and can get away with seemingly anything.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by hospitalJail »

philistine wrote: post #408
acdha wrote: post #245

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> I even had a single buddy, age 30, recently get peer pressured into getting an iphone because his sister said "I don't date green bubbles". He took it to heart. Shallow people are shallow, and it’s hardly like Apple made them that way. People do the same thing about cars, shoes, clothing, alcohol, zip codes, etc. The only upside is that it lets you very quickly identify and avoid them. In the messaging case, it’s i…

Exactly. The power over iMessage is in Apple’s hands. Yet Google, with their RCS push, have not made something open-source were they have less power than Apple. RCS is controlled by Google just like iMessage.

That isnt factual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSMA

Google doesnt control RCS. Its a general format. Apple could implement RCS. At most, they are a loud voice. Any phone can adopt it.

This is completely different from a closed imessage that cannot be adopted by others. Not to mention, imessage has been pretty anti-consumer with all their security problems, inability to accept high quality video, etc... None of this is good for the consumer.

What is good for the consumer is that the color of the bubble are different, this is important for status seeking individuals who want to be part of the in-group.

Back to the parent comments, RCS is better if you want a computing device. iMessage is the best if you want to buy your way into an in-group.

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Post by scarface_74 »

Analemma_ wrote: post #23
jeltz wrote: post #11

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That is on iOS, on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults. Personally I use Linux unless forced to use something else by my employer.

> That is on iOS, on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults. Why is that in any way exonerating? Most people do most of their actual computing on their phones now, it is not an irrelevant toy platform. We should be more, not less, hard on Apple than Microsoft for pulling this shit on their mobile platform.

Can I I stalk another browser on ChromeOS?

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by scarface_74 »

hospitalJail wrote: post #86
Analemma_ wrote: post #23

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> That is on iOS, on MacOS they allow other browsers and respect the systemwide defaults. Why is that in any way exonerating? Most people do most of their actual computing on their phones now, it is not an irrelevant toy platform. We should be more, not less, hard on Apple than Microsoft for pulling this shit on their mobile platform.

Apple sells the ability to be part of an 'in-group'. People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users. Its a psychology trick that took decades of marketing to pull off, but they are deeply entrenched as someone's identity. These users have a religious devotion and will defend them, because an attack on Apple is an attack on them and their group. If you don't…

Yes, it’s all “marketing” that 60% of phones sold in the US are iPhones. Poor little Google couldn’t just “market” their phones better?

I was just talking to my 80 year old mom yesterday and she was telling me how much she loves being part of the “in group”

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by ho_schi »

CSMastermind wrote: post #428
aerzen wrote: post #189

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Hmmm, interesting. How would this be implemented in practice? EU passing laws about specific things that Microsoft should and shouldn't do?

Just eliminate vertical integration in the space. Enforce the kernel team must be separate from the application layer - let other people build operating system UIs on top of the kernel. For the operating system team to be separated from the product teams. Even go further and unbundle the product teams - make office separate from bing which is separate from edge, etc. Just make sure you also do it to Apple, Google, et…

You probably could do that for some parts but have to control the interaction. For big integrated parts is is probably easier to control them as howl?

A mere split up will lead to “baby bells” and the bigger one will just buy others - and centralize again.

PS: We should remember that Microsoft was able to destroy Nokia with an installed CEO (Stephen Elop) of their own. Killed the already shipping Linux smartphone. Installed Windows Mobile and Nokia was finally dead. Nokia itself did mistakes before but from outside this was questionable?

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