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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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So...local politicians, in a market where Apple was making money hand-over-fist, were feeling kinda used. By a huge foreign corporation. And the they started getting sticky on all sorts of regulatory things that Apple needed. Until Apple's CEO promised to do a bunch of "local investing" in their country. How different is this from the 1980's in the U.S., when Japanese auto makers decided that they needed to start bui…

Because now we're getting screwed. The concept of fairness is cold comfort.

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People outside of China are served a different set of maps. Each country is served maps that conform to their territorial claims. E.g. If you view the map of India while in India, it'll appear different than if you viewed it in China.

Why do we see some of these behaviors within China maps, outside China? > .. the obfuscated coordinate system for geo-aligning maps .. https://goo.gl/maps/Qr2QRB7aB2jrg9Rk7 Roads are not aligned to the satellite imagery for example.

The same exists elsewhere, in South Korea that I know of. Bridges and dams disappear or move on maps, Google Maps doesn't have high res sat pictures, etc. Just to say, it's not great IMO but not only totalitarian states have a need for such obfuscation; healthy democracies too.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Imagine getting an email from Apple telling you that you're laid off because you job is less important than sending a stern message to China. Apple then loses billions of dollars of revenue to Huawei and Xiaomi, but can you really place a price on feeling warm and fuzzy on the inside? If you want to control what maps Apple shows in China, then ask the government to do it. Assuming you can convince Congress to do anyt…

> Imagine getting an email from Apple telling you that you're laid off Isn't that exactly what Apple did by moving factories to China?

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When I see state capital or communist societies, I see "single whale that has to purchase at inflated prices" I'll spin up a British Virgin Islands company or buy another passport first in response to any legislation aimed at preventing business with those whales Others are already 5 steps ahead of me

Why not simply renounce your citizenship now if you feel you should owe no duty to maintain any kind of national security policy?

Private citizens don’t maintain the US’ national security policy, as this article clearly shows, but you are commenting on a theoretical reality that has lacked consensus or wasnt even on the table during every administration of the same country.

Alternatively, US citizenship doesn't guarantee any beneficiary of national security or evacuation from another place when shit hits the fan.

So before I answer your question, what did you mean specifically?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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When businesses become so large, they no longer are a $countryOfOrigin company (A US company in the case of Apple). They become multinational entities that have no loyalty to a nation, just loyalty to pocket books.

The scary thing is that nobody in any position of power seems to want to do anything about it and we seem to be past the point of no return.

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When businesses become so large, they no longer are a $countryOfOrigin company (A US company in the case of Apple). They become multinational entities that have no loyalty to a nation, just loyalty to pocket books.

Small companies don’t have loyalty to any specific nation either. Nor should they. Companies should serve customer needs and wants (profits are a measure of this), not become soldiers in political battles.

I’m confused as to why people think this is an $insightfulComment.

Would you rather have countries wall off their economic activity from each other so governments have to bomb each other to acquire resources by force?

Any economic intertwining of Chinese and American interests is a good thing, no matter how evil you think the Chinese are. Because the inevitable alternative is war (re: all of human history).

Historically, the only thing that prevents tribes of human animals from blowing each other up is mutually beneficial economic cooperation.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Anyone who has worked in mapping/GIS at a company that sells in China has seen this in action. The "display these islands larger" requests, the obfuscated coordinate system for geo-aligning maps, and other map content regulatory issues[1] all need to be dealt with if you want your map product available in the country. Not excusing it, but every company with maps there is required to do this, not just Apple. 1: https:…

This is a mind boggling realization. Is OSM data also compromised in the same way?

No.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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"Apple has, and will, fold to government pressure faster than a lawn chair." As a publicly-traded, trillion dollar company, where profits are at stake, this would seem to make sense. What does not seem to make sense is why anyone would believe Apple might ignore its own financial interests and those of its shareholders and deliberately sacrifice a major opportunity^1 in order to resist government pressure based on so…

> Why would anyone hold such an assumption. Because that is what Tim Cook Apple's marketing and PR suggest Apple does. The force of good. Social Responsibility and Justice. Standing up against the government. ( They didn't explicitly say this but the message is something fairly similar ) Instead of creating "insanely" great product for our customers, friends and family. It is now about product that "enrich" people's…

No, they never marketed themselves as a company that stands up against the government (to do so means that they don’t understand how power works). Their PR centered around ethical practices is still true where they conduct business in democratic countries.

People should note that just because someone is aiming for an ethical ideal doesn’t mean that the way there is bound to be perfect—those who are quick to point out other people’s hypocrisies always rest on this fallacy. Apple isn’t perfect, but it seems to be the only big tech company making great strides towards being zero-carbon and pushing for user privacy in democratic countries, and when they were called out about parts of their supply chain using oppressed Uighur Muslim labor, they corrected it.

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