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Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by mrweasel »

ogre_codes wrote: post #427
bawolff wrote: post #410

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I'm a professional programmer... hardware constraints aren't exactly the limiting factor when i use vim all day.

You don't compile your code? Obviously it depends greatly on what kind of software you are writing, but at all my dev jobs, I eventually end up waiting for some amount of time while the CPU heats the room up. Notably, VIM is inevitably more gentle on my CPU than VSCode and similar.

You could comfortable develop say a large e-commerce site on a 7 year old Macbook Pro, so I’d assume an M1 based Air would be equally fine.

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Post by kzrdude »

wmf wrote: post #206
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #197

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Was Steve Jobs an infamous fan-hater? What did he do/say?

Yes, Apple IIs and early Macs had no fans because Jobs wanted them to be silent.

He was right in many of his extreme tastes, a fanless computer is so much nicer to work with. Many laptops are silent for common tasks now.

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Post by _a1_ »

blt wrote: post #437
derefr wrote: post #335

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> What in the world is an actual professional? I would say that generally , a "professional" user of pretty much any tool, is someone for whom the tool's quality is a constraint on their professional productivity. A professional paint user is an artist. A professional telescope user is an astronomer—or a sniper. A professional typewriter user is a stenographer. A professional shoe user is an athlete. In all these cas…

What are those Rolls Royce features needed by chauffeurs?

Rolls Royce isn't a tool for the chauffeur, but it's a tool for the passenger. It's a tool for distributing the information that the passenger is wealthy enough to own it, and it enables more conversation options with certain NPCs ;p

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Post by fastball »

boromi wrote: post #343
mirthflat83 wrote: post #303

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Not really. Apple is one of the few companies that invests in this kind of cohesive experience. It didn’t come out of the blue. Doubt Windows does much in this regard given their atrocious UX

It says something, but for the first time in about a decade, I actually want to get an iPhone and ditch Android. This is coming from someone who used to rock all the Lumia phones. The last straws for me are usb-c and no notch. The next iPhone that has these updates I'll end up purchasing. I'll likley miss the integration of Windows Phone Link, but I can live without that.

Next iPhone probably no charge port at all.

I was hoping for USB-C too, but I bought the 12 Pro anyway.

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Post by threeseed »

bawolff wrote: post #410
derefr wrote: post #335

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> What in the world is an actual professional? I would say that generally , a "professional" user of pretty much any tool, is someone for whom the tool's quality is a constraint on their professional productivity. A professional paint user is an artist. A professional telescope user is an astronomer—or a sniper. A professional typewriter user is a stenographer. A professional shoe user is an athlete. In all these cas…

I'm a professional programmer... hardware constraints aren't exactly the limiting factor when i use vim all day.

I've been around software development for over 20 years.

Never met a single engineer who didn't want faster build/test cycles.

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Post by manojlds »

totalZero wrote: post #424
faitswulff wrote: post #255

This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.

Not quite. You can't synthetically compare one chip to another and draw organic conclusions. Apple computers with M1 don't support the software that I use. That's why I bought a fully spec'd Intel MBP13 today. All this talk about battery life and benchmarks gets flipped on its head when I can't use the product in the real world.

Isn't there Rosetta that they talked about?

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Post by arvinsim »

bawolff wrote: post #410
derefr wrote: post #335

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> What in the world is an actual professional? I would say that generally , a "professional" user of pretty much any tool, is someone for whom the tool's quality is a constraint on their professional productivity. A professional paint user is an artist. A professional telescope user is an astronomer—or a sniper. A professional typewriter user is a stenographer. A professional shoe user is an athlete. In all these cas…

I'm a professional programmer... hardware constraints aren't exactly the limiting factor when i use vim all day.

I envy writers in a sense. Their job doesn't require fast hardware so the computer is always waiting for them.

Programmers have to deal with compilation wait times, lack of RAM slowing down workflows, network latency, etc. We have to wait for the computer to do their job.

I await the day that I won't have to deal with this and computers would be as fast as our train of thought(human input latency nonwithstanding). But I won't hold my breath.

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Post by threeseed »

p1necone wrote: post #432
jrobn wrote: post #278

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YouTube has grown by triple digits. Those video “content creators”, from those just messing around to the professional film makers, are a huge opportunity for Apple to secure mind share in. Billions of views on YouTube. Billions of videos too. I suspect the M1 powered Macs will be hugely successful and very useful for multiple types of users.

I don't see these being very useful for video editing with RAM maxing out at 16gb. Maybe 1080p, but not 4k. (And the small storage, but that can be remedied with a NAS or other external storage, and then fast local scratch space only needs to be big enough for a couple of projects at a time)

People are regularly doing 4K video editing on their iPhones and iPads.

In particular with Luma Fusion.

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Post by rvz »

robertoandred wrote: post #352
rvz wrote: post #184

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Like the grandparent comment, I would avoid this M1 Macbook since the developer ecosystem is still unsupported by it. Take this for example: https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/4733 Docker still doesn't run on Apple Silicon Macs, so the migration path is already disrupted here.

You say “still” as if Apple silicon Macs are more than a day old.

We can include the A12Z developer transition kit, which is an 'Apple Silicon Mac' which was available since July.

The problem here is that in WWDC, Apple showed Docker Desktop running on an Apple Silicon system (maybe suggesting that it is at least running) and here we are in November it is still not running or not known if Apple Silicon is supported.

I don't see any patches in the Docker repositories on such support, thus maybe Apple has a private fork for Apple Silicon. In general it is not available to us and we don't know when it will be.

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