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Is that illegal though (wrongly blocking a video)? If it isn’t, YT can just shrug it off.

There is no consequence for filing unsubstantiated claims. There is consequence for failing to honour substantiated ones.

It's probably fraud, but yeah, still no consequences for large media corp execs who are personally responsible for that fraud.

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This is where party-based politics fails representative democracy. There are supposed to be N voices in parliament, so that at least N different voices can be heard. Large parties, party discipline and backroom deals are (imnsho) fundamentally at odds with a well-functioning representative democracy.

It's a feature, not a bug. As much as people want strong individuals as representatives, time has shown over and over again that a well oiled machine (party) will be much stronger. Those parties then create rules that reinforce the need for coalitions and weaken individuals. Representative democracy is meant to be a way to mitigate the problem of true democracy, which is the idea that it's easier to build a consensus…

I happen to disagree with the dogma that a strong government is a good government, so in my eyes it's a bug.

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Yeah, i am really curious what approach will content hosting companies take. Will they analyze each video if it is a illegal or legal one, checking everything... or just implement a simple, fast and cheap filter that will block most of the content, with no way to appeal the ruling, just like youtube is doing now...

I hope they block the entire EU. And yes, I live in the EU. That way they need to shamefully roll back this law, and we're sure they don't try to pull off such a farce in the (near) future.

Or we post a huge load of original content of the EU pm's making sure we the people own the copyrights. Making their digital life a hell...

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A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

> So what do we do?

Are there good polls measuring popular backing for (or indifference to) these bills?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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The information is not yet published, however Julia Reda ( https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110514210176462850 ) is working on it. Also, I would suggest voting on a party-bases i.e. voting for Pirates in your region.

I will vote not only on national-party basis, but on the voting behaviour of the international bloc they are part of. For example, all members of (Dutch) D66 voted against this directive, but of their faction (ALDE), 60% voted for. I will not lend my vote to such a faction, so sadly D66 will not get my vote either in the upcoming May elections.

this this mean you won't vote at all? there was no pure anti-13 block iirc. not casting a valid vote is my generation's way of causing outcomes like the current one.

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This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

I don't know whether Article 11/13 are good or bad (although at first glance they seem to be bad), but I don't think this attitude of "forcing freedom" onto others is good. The entire attitude that I should "regain [my] freedom" seems condescending. I don't want to use a P2P alternative to YouTube or Reddit, because 99% of the content is on Reddit/YouTube. I'm well aware that YouTube collects and sells my personal da…

> I don't want to use a P2P alternative to YouTube or Reddit, because 99% of the content is on Reddit/YouTube.

That might change once everybody gets forced off Reddit/Youtube. The best-case scenario here is suddenly starting to look like revival of the distributed, non-profit internet in Europe. If that's the case, I can live with losing Youtube.

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As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

It does not matter where the content is produced, it is where it is consumed and Europe is a content consumption powerhouse.

This law intent is to prevent unlicensed content to be available to European consumer. That will probably mostly work, with the usual caveat and unintended consequences we all know about, here on HN.

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Yeah, it could be, but then why the other EurSkep. parties voted for it?

Of the 34 EFDD votes, only 6 voted for. Which other EurSkep parties are you referring to?

ECR, ENF had votes in favour https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvot...

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Well it depends on which is your view about "what is the most democratic vote system". For example I am for a "democracy of experts" system, in which any decision must be voted exclusively by those who have expertise on the matter the vote is about. From my point of view the Brexit vote is totally not-democratic because it put an absurdly complex decision on a big part of the population which has not even remotely th…

> For example I am for a "democracy of experts" system, in which any decision must be voted exclusively by those who have expertise on the matter the vote is about. And who decides who is an expert on what?

The people, with testing I.e. finished grad school

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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You need only look at the rampant abuse of Content ID to see what the likely result will be... "Sorry, the video you uploaded 'Me playing Beethoven on the piano' contains BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY by BMG-EMI-XYZ Music Corp. You cannot upload this video."

Is that illegal though (wrongly blocking a video)? If it isn’t, YT can just shrug it off.

It is not illegal for a filter to wrongly block something. I think the pirate party tried to insert such clause in the past.
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