European Parliament approves copyright reform • Hacker News Board

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by anoncake » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

gpderetta wrote: post #223

emteycz wrote: post #188

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I am sick of people using this as some kind of an universal argument. The communist party in 1946 was also elected lawfully in my country, and Hitler also was (and yes, I'm fully aware that he lied to the German people - that's the point). And the fact that someone elected these people does not change anything about the possibility of them lying to the people that elected them, and it also changes nothing about the l…

That's why it is important that the 'will of the people' is bounded by a strong, hard to modify, constitution.

But that constitution, if legitimate, expresses the will of the people itself. So what really happens is that the principles of the people bound the whims of the people.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by random878 » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

As someone who grew up alongside the internet, I wonder if this is just part of the bigger picture of where the internet has always been heading...

The bigger, more popular, and ubiquitous it became the more corporate and political powers were going to seek to rule it. Now were are at an age of internet giants with the GDP of small countries, and political elections being swayed by the bovine herds of Facebook and Twitter users (or useds as Stallman calls them!). The internet has come so far from my happy memories of the late 90s.

My prediction is that we will see multiple 'internets'. Whether for political reasons (e.g. China), or commercial (someone like Facebook or Google providing their version of internet to a 3rd world country).

Then of course we have things like dark web. I think many will stop seeing the darkweb as a place of CP and drug dealing, and more of an internet free from regulation.

It's an interesting point in history. . . . (I'm a bookwork so please share any recommendations on this topic!)

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:28 PM UTC

nkkollaw wrote: post #271

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #235

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> that doesn't invalidate a peaceful protest I agree. Peaceful protest with violent elements, and the government deploying force to deter the violent elements, isn’t an oxymoron. The violent elements don’t invalidate the peaceful ones. And the armed response shouldn’t besmudge the government per se . > It's also a common tactic from governments to infiltrate into peaceful protests and cause damage and disorders on pu…

> Need a citation on this being “common.” Would also need some proof of this happening in Paris. Otherwise, we’re going into conspiracy theory land. I'm not familiar with the French secret service, but since I've seen proof of this technique being regularly deployed in other countries it would just seem common sense to me to think that the French would do the same. Cossiga's "confession" is even on Wikipedia ( https:…

> I've seen proof of this technique being regularly deployed in other countries it would just seem common sense to me to think that the French would do the same

Italy has well-known corruption and mafia problems. Its press is less free than [1] and political system quite different from France’s. Even then, its frequency of violent protests is much higher than that of false flag operations.

Globally, there are more examples of peaceful protests becoming violent than of false flag operations. One’s prior should default to the former while being wary of the latter.

[1] https://rsf.org/en/ranking

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Post by philpem » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:28 PM UTC

dingaling wrote: post #273

philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

You need only look at the rampant abuse of Content ID to see what the likely result will be...

"Sorry, the video you uploaded 'Me playing Beethoven on the piano' contains BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY by BMG-EMI-XYZ Music Corp. You cannot upload this video."

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Post by Xelbair » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:28 PM UTC

Brexit might not be such a stupid idea after all..

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Post by onlydeadheroes » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:28 PM UTC

montenegrohugo wrote: post #241

A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

Torify all the things. Let them legislate over a graveyard.

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:29 PM UTC

yorwba wrote: post #250

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #165

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I've been looking for a while for a good summary of how to vote that I could link to people, but not even on europa.eu do they have that, which really speaks for itself. If anyone knows of a good source, I'd love to know about it.

https://www.european-elections.eu/ is linked on europa.eu

Ah, I had seen that page multiple times, but was confused that it only presented the options "in ireland" and "in malta".

I now found out that I have to scroll to the bottom and select Germany there. Weird.

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Post by reitanqild » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:29 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #256

stronglikedan wrote: post #212

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> Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. For now, but where will it stop (or will it)? Another commentor pointed out that even small services running ads to pay for hosting could be considered "for-profit". Maybe not now, but it's just a matter of when. First they came for the platforms run by big corporations...

Copyright enforcement has always been about going after big abuses. With some incredibly rare exceptions, generally speaking, nobody has ever been at serious risk for sending one copy of a movie or music CD to a friend. There is too much sharing and too many individual parties to chase after every way people technically violate copyright law. Many of the cases out there involved people sharing on a large scale. Examp…

There's been a lot of shady copyright trolling against bittorrent users.

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Post by tremon » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:29 PM UTC

zirror wrote: post #47

paule89 wrote: post #20

Are we able to see, who voted how? I would like to have a website showing you which persons not to vote, in your location for the upcoming eu votes in may.

The information is not yet published, however Julia Reda ( https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110514210176462850 ) is working on it. Also, I would suggest voting on a party-bases i.e. voting for Pirates in your region.

I will vote not only on national-party basis, but on the voting behaviour of the international bloc they are part of.

For example, all members of (Dutch) D66 voted against this directive, but of their faction (ALDE), 60% voted for. I will not lend my vote to such a faction, so sadly D66 will not get my vote either in the upcoming May elections.

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Post by naveen99 » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:30 PM UTC

random878 wrote: post #312

As someone who grew up alongside the internet, I wonder if this is just part of the bigger picture of where the internet has always been heading... The bigger, more popular, and ubiquitous it became the more corporate and political powers were going to seek to rule it. Now were are at an age of internet giants with the GDP of small countries, and political elections being swayed by the bovine herds of Facebook and Tw…

The internet is already by definition a collection of separate networks...