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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by e40 »

forapurpose wrote: post #390
e40 wrote: post #329

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What, besides providing extra resources to underpriveleged children so they are not punished for their parents mistakes, can be done? Unintended consequences. I believe it is generally accepted that the policies in the 70's led to the destruction (dismantling?) of the urban/poor family (yes, predominately African American). Also, we've seen that this issue has significantly fueled the rise of people like our current…

> I believe it is generally accepted that the policies in the 70's led to the destruction (dismantling?) of the urban/poor family (yes, predominately African American). These problems existed long before then. For example, a famous and controversial report from 1965: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For... The problems are largely due to systematic oppression of African-American people for gen…

I agree, but both are contributing factors.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by ezzzzz »

moorhosj wrote: post #384
ezzzzz wrote: post #381

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Finland has a drastically lower poverty rate, lower income inequality [1] and lower violent crime rate than the United States [2]. This fact, combined with Finland's well-known social safety nets leads to the obvious conclusion that you would be hard pressed to find living conditions like those in the slums of Akron/Cleveland in Finland. [1] https://data.oecd.org/finland.htm#profile-government [2] http://www.nationma…

==This fact, combined with Finland's well-known social safety nets leads to the obvious conclusion that you would be hard pressed to find living conditions like those in the slums of Akron/Cleveland in Finland.== Isn't it possible that Finland's well-known social safety net is at least partially responsible for the lower poverty, income inequality and violent crime rates?

Yes, and I absolutely agree with the the other reply that such a model would be completely ineffective in the type of neighborhoods LeBron's school is targeting. I hope this model is successful because I think it could greatly benefit under-served communities.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by orwin »

soperj wrote: post #436
dkonofalski wrote: post #375

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Why are they insane?

Common core and teachers wages dependent on standardized testing is nuts.

Do america's teacher wage depends on the child result to a standardized test?

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

dang wrote: post #413
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #371

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What request to stop and what HN guideline?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16220030 Many guidelines, but start with the civility rule.

I've actually just reread through the guidelines and don't see how I could be said to break many of them.

I also don't believe I broke the civility rule. My comment is still substantive, remove the last sentence and it's just two good points and it's not something I would feel bad saying face-to-face. Maybe it's a bit snarky but HN loves snark and I see snark literally everywhere on this board - very rarely do I see you commenting below it.

I believe you should unban my account, I've made plenty of quality contributions.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by somebadguy »

gizmo686 wrote: post #417
wjnqx wrote: post #405

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I am appalled that such an assertion can be made openly. It is, frankly, simply vile to suggest that children be taken away from struggling parents by society, rather than society being obligated to help those parents raise their children. To do so would be not only criminal, but profoundly immoral.

Facts matter. Evidence matters. We should not ignore evidence because it disagrees with our ideology. And we certainly should not attack someone for trying to bring in evidence to a discussion about something as important as raising our children. The poster you are responding to didn't even suggest a course of action. He mearly provided evidence that the "obvious" course of action might not be so obviously correct. Y…

Go and euthanise yourself.

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Post by [deleted] »

naravara wrote: post #130
wiremine wrote: post #89

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> a longer school year helps students stay focused My kids (4th and 7th) attend a school with a year-round schedule, and we (kids and parents) love it: * They are less stressed because there is more breaks throughout the year. Teachers seem less stressed, too, because they don't have to pack so much in. * They retain more in the summer. * Outside of academics: it's really nice to have the option to take longer vacati…

>I'd love to see more schools move to it... 3 months off in summer seems very antiquated in hindsight. But what about those of us who need the extra hands to help with the harvest!?

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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by forapurpose »

e40 wrote: post #451
forapurpose wrote: post #390

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> I believe it is generally accepted that the policies in the 70's led to the destruction (dismantling?) of the urban/poor family (yes, predominately African American). These problems existed long before then. For example, a famous and controversial report from 1965: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For... The problems are largely due to systematic oppression of African-American people for gen…

I agree, but both are contributing factors.

> both are contributing factors

Which policies of the 70s and 80s contributed and where is evidence of that? I ask because I try to be careful to distinguish between oft-repeated narratives and hypotheses with actual evidence.

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Post by nugget »

staunch wrote: post #237
btkramer9 wrote: post #232

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> No one chooses to be responsible or irresponsible. Really? Everyone's level of responsibility is purely based on a genetic lottery and have nothing to do with one's own willpower? edit: I can understand environment having an effect

Not just genetics. Your willpower is entirely dependent on your genetics and your environment. There are no other factors possible. No one chooses how much willpower they have, just like no one chooses how intelligent they are.

By your argument if somebody is lucky, successful, and prideful, but feels no desire to help others, wouldn't that apathy also be a result of genetics and environment? And thus you couldn't blame them for it or expect them to act any differently.

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Post by JamesBarney »

vxNsr wrote: post #406
jschwartzi wrote: post #265

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No, it sounds like you're arguing that the child should bear the burden of the parent's bad decisions. Ever hear the phrase "sins of the father?" The fact is the child has no control over their home environment, and you're effectively damning them to a life of lower achievement based on the fact that their parents can't afford enough bedding. Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?

I'm arguing exactly the opposite! A parents lack of self/impulse control shouldn't be the child's responsibility. And we should strive as much as possible to prevent people from doing something that might cause that to be the case. Obviously once a child is born we need to work on making sure they have a bright and fulfilling future, but why not stop it at the source?

Because government subsidized abortion is politically a non starter.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by staunch »

nugget wrote: post #458
staunch wrote: post #237

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Not just genetics. Your willpower is entirely dependent on your genetics and your environment. There are no other factors possible. No one chooses how much willpower they have, just like no one chooses how intelligent they are.

By your argument if somebody is lucky, successful, and prideful, but feels no desire to help others, wouldn't that apathy also be a result of genetics and environment? And thus you couldn't blame them for it or expect them to act any differently.

Exactly. You can certainly pity someone for lacking empathy but blaming them makes no sense.

And behavior isn't necessarily a static thing. This same person might read a good book (which would become part environment) which might move them to be more empathetic.

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