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How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by s73v3r_ »

BjoernKW wrote: post #366
maym86 wrote: post #180

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The profit comes from the labour of people who work for you. Any profit you make is the difference between what their true labour is worth and what you pay them. So unless the owners are adding billions in value by themselves they are paying people less than the true value of their work. The extent at which this happens is where some ethical issues lie. If you keep wages low while making large profit there is a point…

Value creation is not a zero-sum game. A cooperative selling the same products and services as, say, Amazon might not make the same profit. Coherent vision and leadership can contribute a lot to the value creation process.

It's not a zero-sum game, but that doesn't mean that a small amount of people can't extract some 99% of of the value created.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by Swizec »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #378
Swizec wrote: post #312

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> everyone knows this fac And you can be completely fine and have plenty of resources for all 5 kids until your wife gets cancer and you drop 1 million dollars of medical expenses into that money pit and then she dies anyway. Now you have 5 kids, single income, and way less than no money. Strangers on the internet say it’s your fault. Enjoy Well I guess it’s your fault for having kids in a country with scant social s…

That sounds like an edge case to me. What proportion of single parent families are formed by death of a married parent vs. other options?

The other option still takes away 50% of your net worth and 1 salary so it’s not like that’s ideal either.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by kmkemp »

e40 wrote: post #96
roland35 wrote: post #50

I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

Others fall asleep immediately at school since they live with 5+ siblings and there are literally no available beds at home. I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either At some point, though, personal responsibility has to come into play. Having 5+ children when you have no resources... this is the true elephant in the room. It seems talking about it gets labels thrown around. I guess it's a conversa…

Of course, the parent could have also been very responsible. Maybe they were married with a nice income. Fast forward 10 years and their spouse has died or went to prison and they lost their nice job and now have to work multiple lower paying jobs. There are a multitude of circumstances that could put you in a position that you didn't foresee.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by vxNsr »

stuckinarut wrote: post #303
vxNsr wrote: post #257

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Someone might argue that people shouldn't engage in activities that have a strong probability of creating responsibilities they can't handle, no matter how good those initial activities feel. In other parts of society we'd say "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." I know this is a very unpopular opinion the world over right now, but: This applies loosely to sex as well (Don't have sex if you can't afford to…

> I know this is a very unpopular opinion the world over right now, but: This applies loosely to sex as well (Don't have sex if you can't afford to have kids). because it's a ridiculous opinion that ignores human nature and provides awful advice.

As I said, unpopular.

It doesn't ignore human nature, it asks that you embrace your humanity. Until recently people would have argued that "unwanted advances" were "human nature." NO! As an adult human you're better than that. Control yourself.

I'm not really understanding why it provides "awful advice"? Why should your children bear the responsibilities of your lack of self control?

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Post by wjnqx »

textor wrote: post #229
house9-2 wrote: post #208

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> ...and focus on building a better foster / adoption system and encouraging people to use it who is going to fund that? wouldn't it be better to support the families as they are? help improve peoples lives instead of ripping families apart

For what it's worth, children from at-risk families achieve better education when the father ends up incarcerated. So we can absolutely make a case for "ripping families apart" and against supporting "families as they are". > My findings suggest that on average, parents who are on the margin of incarceration are likely to reduce the amount of schooling their child attains if they instead remain in the household. This…

I am appalled that such an assertion can be made openly. It is, frankly, simply vile to suggest that children be taken away from struggling parents by society, rather than society being obligated to help those parents raise their children. To do so would be not only criminal, but profoundly immoral.

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Post by vxNsr »

jschwartzi wrote: post #265
vxNsr wrote: post #257

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Someone might argue that people shouldn't engage in activities that have a strong probability of creating responsibilities they can't handle, no matter how good those initial activities feel. In other parts of society we'd say "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." I know this is a very unpopular opinion the world over right now, but: This applies loosely to sex as well (Don't have sex if you can't afford to…

No, it sounds like you're arguing that the child should bear the burden of the parent's bad decisions. Ever hear the phrase "sins of the father?" The fact is the child has no control over their home environment, and you're effectively damning them to a life of lower achievement based on the fact that their parents can't afford enough bedding. Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?

I'm arguing exactly the opposite!

A parents lack of self/impulse control shouldn't be the child's responsibility. And we should strive as much as possible to prevent people from doing something that might cause that to be the case. Obviously once a child is born we need to work on making sure they have a bright and fulfilling future, but why not stop it at the source?

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Post by vxNsr »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #397
vxNsr wrote: post #257

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Someone might argue that people shouldn't engage in activities that have a strong probability of creating responsibilities they can't handle, no matter how good those initial activities feel. In other parts of society we'd say "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." I know this is a very unpopular opinion the world over right now, but: This applies loosely to sex as well (Don't have sex if you can't afford to…

No. That's just a completely unworkable and unreasonable demand.

Self control is unreasonable? You honestly sound like those creepy men who go around slapping random coworker's behinds because that's what comes naturally.

Re: How LeBron James' new public school is the first of its kind

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Post by mercutio2 »

textor wrote: post #229
house9-2 wrote: post #208

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> ...and focus on building a better foster / adoption system and encouraging people to use it who is going to fund that? wouldn't it be better to support the families as they are? help improve peoples lives instead of ripping families apart

For what it's worth, children from at-risk families achieve better education when the father ends up incarcerated. So we can absolutely make a case for "ripping families apart" and against supporting "families as they are". > My findings suggest that on average, parents who are on the margin of incarceration are likely to reduce the amount of schooling their child attains if they instead remain in the household. This…

You summarized the paper as, “children from at-risk families achieve better education when the father ends up incarcerated.”

The one study you’re citing here might suggest your summary statement if “parents on the margin of incarceration” was equivalent to “children from at-risk families”. But those are very different concepts.

You can have an at risk family just by being low-income. Certainly many low-income families are drawn into crime, but by no means all, or even a majority, of low-income families, have a parent who is at the margin of incarceration.

I think the only thing you can reasonably conclude from this study is that leniency in the judicial system towards parents just because they’re parents may be misguided.

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Post by dragonwriter »

neuland wrote: post #194
naravara wrote: post #120

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>The middle one is absolutely true, the other two I really doubt e.g. in Finland or Germany, schoolday starts around 9AM and ends around 2PM, yielding 3h30 to 4h studies a day accounting for breaks, 5 days/week, with little homework (maybe 5h/week total). Afternoon is usually dedicated to clubs. In the context of at-risk kids, I think the idea is to maximize the amount of time the kids get to spend away from their to…

If the problem is toxic home environments though, why aren't people suggesting that we cut out the middle man and focus on building a better foster / adoption system and encouraging people to use it? It seems that everyone is recognizing this is the problem, but the solutions all revolve around school, when it really doesn't have anything to do with schools. Edit: Or boarding schools.

> If the problem is toxic home environments though, why aren't people suggesting that we cut out the middle man and focus on building a better foster / adoption system and encouraging people to use it?

Or we could just try to fix th social problems that produce the toxic home environments rather than ripping apart the families that society has already failed.

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Post by gt_ »

dragonwriter wrote: post #409
neuland wrote: post #194

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If the problem is toxic home environments though, why aren't people suggesting that we cut out the middle man and focus on building a better foster / adoption system and encouraging people to use it? It seems that everyone is recognizing this is the problem, but the solutions all revolve around school, when it really doesn't have anything to do with schools. Edit: Or boarding schools.

> If the problem is toxic home environments though, why aren't people suggesting that we cut out the middle man and focus on building a better foster / adoption system and encouraging people to use it? Or we could just try to fix th social problems that produce the toxic home environments rather than ripping apart the families that society has already failed.

And we could stop using the word “toxic” to describe poor people.
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